Warchanter
Alignment: Neutral
Class: 20 Bard


Stats:..........Level 1 (28 pt build)

Strength............16
Dexterity............8
Constitution........15
Intelligence.........8
Wisdom..............8
Charisma............16(+ level ups)

Stats:..........Level 1 (32 pt build)

Strength.............16
Dexterity.............8
Constitution........14
Intelligence.........8
Wisdom..............8
Charisma............18(+ level ups)

Feat Progression

Level 1   : Single Weapon Fighting
Level 3   : Power Attack
Level 6   : Cleave
Level 9   : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
Level 12 : Improved Critical-Piercing
Level 15 : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
Level 18 : Empower Healing
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Quicken Spell
Level 26 : Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
Level 27 : Great Cleave
Level 28 : Elusive Target
Level 29 : Dire Charge
Level 30 : Inspire Excellence
Level 30 : Scion of the Feywild

if Human add Weapon Focus

Skills:

Perform
Balance
UMD
Heal
Concentration

if human/drow also add Spot

The main challenge to Spellsinger is making it newb friendly.

Up until we got RTR, I was going to mess around with a “Songblast” type human spellsinger with 31 AP's into Warchanter (For Rough and Ready, the chants, medium armor and full BaB) to maximize PRR*.  41+ into Spellsinger for the sonic SLAs, and to make me and my caster buddies into an arcane army of unstoppable mana fueled might**.

Maximize, Empower, Quicken, Extend, SF: Enchantment***, Spell Penetration***, Shield Mastery***, Improved Shield Mastery***
Inspire Competence, Master of Music, Intensify Spell, Ruin

Skills: UMD, Perform, Spellcraft, Heal, Concentration

* Too many champs screw over Dodge based characters IMO.  SSG doesn’t like nerfing PRR.
** While I can’t comment on the other guy’s build, I found a guy playing a spellsinger to be incredibly valuable in reaper.  The guy kept Spellsong vigor up on my Arcanotech, and I let him have all the Lost Souls as I never needed them.  (Despite spamming all my electric SLAs.)
*** These were all up in the air.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 10^th, 2017 at 9:55am:


That's all it needs to be, playable. Unlike the current ones, which are unplayable.

Thanks for this, 5FS.

Updated with Spellsinger spell list.

Level 1 (Bard)
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds

Level 2 (Bard)
Spell (1): Otto's Resistible Dance

Level 3 (Bard)
Spell (1): Hypnotism

Level 4 (Bard)
Spell (2): Invisibility
Spell (2): Soundburst

Level 5 (Bard)
Spell (1): Sleep
Spell (2): Blur

Level 6 (Bard)

Level 7 (Bard)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (2): Hypnotic Pattern

Level 8 (Bard)
Spell (3): Crushing Despair

Level 9 (Bard)

Level 10 (Bard)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (3): Charm Monster
Spell (4): Otto's Sphere of Dancing

Level 11 (Bard)
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds

Level 12 (Bard)

Level 13 (Bard)
Spell (4): Hold Monster
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mind Fog

Level 14 (Bard)
Spell (5): Mass Suggestion

Level 15 (Bard)

Level 16 (Bard)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (5): Cure Light Wounds, Mass
Spell (6): Cure Moderate Wounds, Mass
Spell (6): Greater Shout

Level 17 (Bard)
Spell (2): Rage
Spell (6): Heroes Feast

Level 18 (Bard)
Spell (3): Remove Curse

Level 19 (Bard)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistible Dance

Level 20 (Bard)
Spell (5): Shadow Walk  

crunch wrote on Apr 10^th, 2017 at 12:01pm:

enchant is also very powerful, the problem with casters is the low level play. the only exemptions are warlocks because, warlocks, and sorc/wiz due to slas and fireball getting online around level 7. bards and divines have to wait until 10/11 for the more powerful spells.

Asheras wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 2:36pm:


Come on. We have to at least assume that they are going to read the enhancement tree of the path they chose.

If not...then this is a lost cause and none of it matters anyway.

5 Foot Step wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 2:48pm:

it's fine. it will function. they should get a suggested ap path and a screenshot of it would be the easiest to follow and fill in the colors. easy enough.

what the game really lacks is a sticky basic set of guides for new players, on everything from maps, combat, healing, traps, and scroll, wand, and potion use. guides on what box builds are best for solo experience, build use of sla, spells, abilities, gearing. Guides on general useful feats for melee, ranged, and casting(there are more useless feats in this game than good ones). ssg, clearly does not want such player assistance being freely available, on their own forum for the betterment of the community and the game.

Sailias wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 5:33pm:

I'm glad someone is. at least it will be on wiki, soon, hopefully. because, you know, shoe is an idiot.

it shouldn't have to be on the wiki though. for every other game i know of, their main forum contains stickied threads relevant to everything in order to facilitate visibility, organization and accessibility. it is fostered by the community and for the community, it keeps the player base engaged and active in constant communication with new and long time players. turbine is the only company that i have EVER seen that does NOT do this. it's industry standard. actively assists the game.

Rubbinns wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 5:40pm:


They used to have a lot of the wiki's info available natively on myDDO. Until the API server "died". What was it, 4 or 5 years ago?

Str bard.  Brilliant.  That'll keep the noobs zooming through quests.

5 Foot Step wrote on May 4^th, 2017 at 3:34pm:


I just think you overly complicate things.  I've spent the last 9 months getting my 13 year old into DDO.  Kid plays video games of all sorts.  But DDO took some time.  Reminded me of my first 6 months.  Just because it is second nature to me (and you) and you can plan a build in your head without needing to reference the wiki doesn't mean that a 1 week or 1 month player even gets what the difference is between a finesse weapon and a light weapon or would will be solid with understanding the min/max advantages to switching their damage modifier and what impact that has on the other aspects of the build or be adept enough with the UI and game play to leverage the advantages to a swash buckler to having a high charisma, beyond the melee damage aspects. 

It's your build, but I just think "for beginners" might be a bit disingenuous.

I think the point of builds for beginners is to steer them away from hopping around like a bunny and dual wielding bastard swords on a Bard. 

Or taking Improved Two Handed fighting on a swashbuckler bard.

Or taking combat expertise on a Wizard.

Or building a battle caster with 14 strength, 14, dex, 12 con, 14 int, 12 wis, 10 charisma and multiclassing Fighter/Wizard. 

Or makes a half-orc sorcerer and then proceeds to run around in heavy armor with longbow they are not proficient with, never casting spells.

Because those are the things new players do sometimes.  (I may or may not have done one of these 4 things above in my early days.)

You can provide a build that:

1)  Doesn't suck at low levels and
2)  Doesn't become gimp in upper heroics and
3)  Isn't too hard to follow or understand

The problem with the current "paths" is that they fail at number 2 most of the time.  So fix that.  But if you make a build that is too complex, then either
A) the new player screws up the leveling and ends up at #2 anyways.
B) is just following your instructions rotely and isn't learning anything about why and how it works.
C) doesn't understand how the build is supposed to be played and can't actually use the features of the build in game.  Making it break #1 and #2.