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Apr 8th, 2017 at 10:46am
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Invited some people for lvl 18-19's Reaper and we were forced to do Heroic Elite.  3 Warlocks in the group, was the worst experience of my life.  Fix this **** already.

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Just make Reaper Xp like the bravery bonus... i.e. if there is a person in the group over the maximum level, just either reduce or cut Reaper Xp all together.

I'm sure there are many people who would still do Reaper to get the 120% regular xp bonus even if there happens to be someone over leveled.

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What was "broken" about it? Too hard? How many skulls? And which of the level 18-19 quests specifically?
  
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Skulls are irrelevant. Your warlock party is irrelevant. Its "No heroic quests on reaper if you (or anyone in the group) is lvl20 or higher. Which makes sense considering that at lvl 20 you unlock destinies and get a power boost.

But you can try to PM revaulting. Maybe he will reconsider it.
  


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DDOcrackhead wrote on Apr 8th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
Skulls are irrelevant. Your warlock party is irrelevant. Its "No heroic quests on reaper if you (or anyone in the group) is lvl20 or higher. Which makes sense considering that at lvl 20 you unlock destinies and get a power boost.

But you can try to PM revaulting. Maybe he will reconsider it.


Put in a reaper xp penalty or cap/limitation if your 20 doing an 18-19 to account for ED's so people can't abuse the system. 

As someone who runs reaper for the challenge and pays little attention to the reaper xp, this really pisses me off.  This completely ruins all the lvl 18's and 19's now which is a significant portion of the game, all to stop some morons from trying to abuse the reaper xp system.   

Just put a penalty or modifier to reaper xp for lvl 20s+ running lvl Heroic lvl quests.

I PM'ed Revaulting lets hope he gets off his fat ass and does something for once.
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You still haven't really explained the problem on your gameplay? What does the reaper difficulty do to you or how did it affects you playing it!
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 8:34am
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Nothing is broken about level 18-19 quests.  It is WAI.   I don't agree with it either, but it is not broken.   

since the rng and cc updates, the gear difference between 19 and 20 is minor.   But the power from the EDs is dramatic.
  
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Daggertooth wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:25am:
As someone who runs reaper for the challenge and pays little attention to the reaper xp,




20s in reaper 18 and 19s is over level. So what challenge?
  

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Daggertooth wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:25am:
Put in a reaper xp penalty or cap/limitation if your 20 doing an 18-19 to account for ED's so people can't abuse the system. 

As someone who runs reaper for the challenge and pays little attention to the reaper xp, this really pisses me off.  This completely ruins all the lvl 18's and 19's now which is a significant portion of the game, all to stop some morons from trying to abuse the reaper xp system.   

Just put a penalty or modifier to reaper xp for lvl 20s+ running lvl Heroic lvl quests.

I PM'ed Revaulting lets hope he gets off his fat ass and does something for once.


They did add a penalty, dipshit. The penalty is that you can't run them. So you think a party of characters who just hit level 20 and are fully pimped out with epic destinies would go run Shipwrecked Spy, Schemes of the Enemy, Bastion of Power or whatever and get some sort of challenge? Unless your skills are somewhere to the left of Fran's, not fucking likely.
  

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spathic wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 11:33am:
They did add a penalty, dipshit. The penalty is that you can't run them. So you think a party of characters who just hit level 20 and are fully pimped out with epic destinies would go run Shipwrecked Spy, Schemes of the Enemy, Bastion of Power or whatever and get some sort of challenge? Unless your skills are somewhere to the left of Fran's, not fucking likely.

Yeah, but that sweet, sweet 7K xp!

You know, thinking about it though, it's one of the few things they didn't fuck up - at least reaper and elite share the same streak.  I can just imagine them putting in another tier where running a quest on elite would blow your raper streak.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 2:15pm
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The gap between not 20 and 20 has always been there and they never tried to fix it.
( probably because it's too hard to fix in a game that had 10 levels at start and never planned initially to go beyond 20 )
The best assumption to make is that it will be there for Raper too... Any other assumption is being a village idiot.


  

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Flav wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
The gap between not 20 and 20 has always been there and they never tried to fix it.
( probably because it's too hard to fix in a game that had 10 levels at start and never planned initially to go beyond 20 )
The best assumption to make is that it will be there for Raper too... Any other assumption is being a village idiot.




This... as usual most people on here exhibit the brain capacity of a fucking vegetable.   Epic Destinies are an optional purchase.. not something universal across the board.. and they have never ever done anything in the past to account for it.

But suddenly its ok to run reaper for lvl 21 and 22 quests? Because there is *that much* difference and that much of a jump from lvl 19's to lvl 20 quests that its suddenly Ok to run reaper while being fully decked out with ED's.  Take your fucking heads out of your asses already.   The years go by here and yet nothing ever changes.. its like banging your head against the wall trying to get through to you people.

I have no problem running reaper at lvl for the full reaper xp.  I have a problem with some bass awkwards logic suddenly screwing me out of all the lvl 18 and 19 quests that I was looking forward to running Reaper when I hit 20.  Basically they are again catering and basing their logic around a few fucking complete morons who will sit there and "farm" lvl 19's or whatever w/ their ED's.. and yet its suddenly ok for them to do this for lvl 20 and 21 quests, as if there is that much of a difficulty spike between say House Cannith Elites and lvl 21 Elites. 

Same shit different day really... they've been fucking over legitimate players for years trying to go after the few loudmouths on the forums with their watching the grass grow playstyles of 'farming this or that ad nauseum.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm
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If you are doing reaper, you should be setting max level of your party to quest level (on normal).

I.e. Do vale at 16, reavers refuge at 17, etc.

While I think lockout and reaper xp is retarded, the current setup does not prohibit you from doing 18-19 quest levels.

Also personally, I'm glad that we are finally running stuff @ level - it adds to the variety / breadth of content we cycle through. It also isn't dogshit easy.

All the above being said, I think if you want to do heroic abbot as a level 30 go ahead - unfortunately that's not possible and its a serious problem imo.
  
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hydra wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
If you are doing reaper, you should be setting max level of your party to quest level (on normal).

I.e. Do vale at 16, reavers refuge at 17, etc.

While I think lockout and reaper xp is retarded, the current setup does not prohibit you from doing 18-19 quest levels.

Also personally, I'm glad that we are finally running stuff @ level - it adds to the variety / breadth of content we cycle through. It also isn't dogshit easy.

All the above being said, I think if you want to do heroic abbot as a level 30 go ahead - unfortunately that's not possible and its a serious problem imo.


I agree with everything you said except one word.

It's a problem.  Serious is a bit much.  The amount of "OMG this is a travesty" displayed by Daggertooth is embarrassing for him.  I don't agree with it either, but it's not that big a deal.  Nobody was running level 18 or 19 quests all that much under the BB system because you ran 2 levels under and held 18.  Which meant you used the vale to cap.  Now you are actually more likely to run them at level 18 or 19.  I've run more level 18 and 19 quests in the last month than I did in the prior 2 years.  But, I still agree that a level 20 should be able to run level 19 content on reaper.  But it's not in my top 10 things I don't like.  Not even close.
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hydra wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
All the above being said, I think if you want to do heroic abbot as a level 30 go ahead - unfortunately that's not possible and its a serious problem imo.


Heroic Abbot is a really fun time, and the Quiver is relevant still - outrunning reapers is a lot of fun.

The easy way to run it is with a full group, but you really do only need like 4 people. Tiles is soloable if you know what you're doing and have a good scout.

My splits for heroic abbot are as follows - assuming a full group - 4 people for meteors, 1 person for tiles, 1 person for ice, 2 scouts. If we assume that everyone can do everything, scouts aren't needed. A run takes a good 20 minutes or so and everyone's happy.

I've run heroic abbot 16 total times in the last few weeks trying to get a guildie a quiver (pulled mine at run 6 or so), I am 99% sure the drop rate for the Seal of the Black Abbot is fucked, but luckily the shield and tome 8pcs become a Seal so no problemo.
  

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Daggertooth wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:25am:
I PM'ed Revaulting lets hope he gets off his fat ass and does something for once.

Amen.

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Asheras wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
I agree with everything you said except one word.

It's a problem.  Serious is a bit much.  The amount of "OMG this is a travesty" displayed by Daggertooth is embarrassing for him.  I don't agree with it either, but it's not that big a deal.  Nobody was running level 18 or 19 quests all that much under the BB system because you ran 2 levels under and held 18.  Which meant you used the vale to cap.  Now you are actually more likely to run them at level 18 or 19.  I've run more level 18 and 19 quests in the last month than I did in the prior 2 years.  But, I still agree that a level 20 should be able to run level 19 content on reaper.  But it's not in my top 10 things I don't like.  Not even close.


Well obviously its not an end of the world issue, but I was severely pissed when I started the thread.   When I invite people to a party I consider myself the host of that party and I ensure that I choose a quest and difficulty that will guarantee when people leave, they are saying "this is why I play DDO.. a truly satisfying experience"

Now when we were forced into doing Elite, it became a complete flop and was so utterly ridiculous and boring, it was like running something on casual.  I am not great friends with the people I invite, they are just people I have played with over the years and I see them in the LFM list and I hit them up for some quests.  I wanted to run Palace of Stone on reaper, we were forced into Elite which was a flop... basically they were all flops and it was a terrible time for all. 

Whats more I don't "get through lives'... I look forward to reaching certain stages of each life and then running the quests at the right difficulty level and having a good time, hopefully with my various comrades etc on the server.   Having the entire stock of 18's and 19's taken out of the fold *did* severely aggravate me as it so happened I dropped a big chunk of change respeccing my character and now its impossible to even find anyone to grp with because I'm now 20 and we can't do reaper.  Had I known this to be the case I would have just TR'ed.
  
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Sailias wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
Heroic Abbot is a really fun time, and the Quiver is relevant still - outrunning reapers is a lot of fun.

The easy way to run it is with a full group, but you really do only need like 4 people. Tiles is soloable if you know what you're doing and have a good scout.

My splits for heroic abbot are as follows - assuming a full group - 4 people for meteors, 1 person for tiles, 1 person for ice, 2 scouts. If we assume that everyone can do everything, scouts aren't needed. A run takes a good 20 minutes or so and everyone's happy.

I've run heroic abbot 16 total times in the last few weeks trying to get a guildie a quiver (pulled mine at run 6 or so), I am 99% sure the drop rate for the Seal of the Black Abbot is fucked, but luckily the shield and tome 8pcs become a Seal so no problemo.


Sorry I should have clarified: heroic reaper abbot (you can't be an epic toon and qualify). I used to do 4-7 runs a week on elite solo or duoing it. (you can never have enough vile blasphemy gloves - i have 12 on my one toon).

It is by far my favorite raid (@ release epic LOB might be tied). I just wish I could run it on reaper for nostalgia reasons @ 30 with my friends.
  
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hydra wrote on Apr 10th, 2017 at 12:11am:
Sorry I should have clarified: heroic reaper abbot (you can't be an epic toon and qualify). I used to do 4-7 runs a week on elite solo or duoing it. (you can never have enough vile blasphemy gloves - i have 12 on my one toon).

It is by far my favorite raid (@ release epic LOB might be tied). I just wish I could run it on reaper for nostalgia reasons @ 30 with my friends.


So yeah getting people for it might be rough, but I can see it being totally doable at level. The three rooms don't have mobs in them so the only real issue would be the center, and I was able to turn undead on my cleric life and clear the platform.

Now I'm totally itching to run it on-level, damn.
  

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Daggertooth wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 11:47pm:
Well obviously its not an end of the world issue, but I was severely pissed when I started the thread.   When I invite people to a party I consider myself the host of that party and I ensure that I choose a quest and difficulty that will guarantee when people leave, they are saying "this is why I play DDO.. a truly satisfying experience"

Now when we were forced into doing Elite, it became a complete flop and was so utterly ridiculous and boring, it was like running something on casual.  I am not great friends with the people I invite, they are just people I have played with over the years and I see them in the LFM list and I hit them up for some quests.  I wanted to run Palace of Stone on reaper, we were forced into Elite which was a flop... basically they were all flops and it was a terrible time for all. 

Whats more I don't "get through lives'... I look forward to reaching certain stages of each life and then running the quests at the right difficulty level and having a good time, hopefully with my various comrades etc on the server.   Having the entire stock of 18's and 19's taken out of the fold *did* severely aggravate me as it so happened I dropped a big chunk of change respeccing my character and now its impossible to even find anyone to grp with because I'm now 20 and we can't do reaper.  Had I known this to be the case I would have just TR'ed.


I get what you are saying.  I'm glad you posted it so that other people don't make the same mistake.  It is tough for party leaders to remember all the differences between reaper and regular N/H/E questing.  That's a big part of why I wish they didn't have two different ways of handling XP penalties and when they kick in.  The whole thing requires too much effort to keep straight.  And people rely on their party leaders to know what the xp implications are for running Content X on Difficulty Y with players levels A, B, and C. 


  
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There are 5 different kinds of xp. 6, if you count the didn't-lose-but-have-to-re-earn destiny xp when you epic TR, and 8, if you count the different heroic TR tiers on top of that. Some stack, and some don't. Eventually we'll get sentient weapons and ... will weapons get reaper xp? Cannith crafting? potentially 9 to 16 different kinds of xp.

That's not counting favor, which has two echelons of 3 tiers each, with its own rules about what stacks, and what doesn't. And reaper, which counts as elite.

Why would anyone be confused!?



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Asheras wrote on Apr 10th, 2017 at 12:04pm:
I get what you are saying.  I'm glad you posted it so that other people don't make the same mistake.  It is tough for party leaders to remember all the differences between reaper and regular N/H/E questing.  That's a big part of why I wish they didn't have two different ways of handling XP penalties and when they kick in.  The whole thing requires too much effort to keep straight.  And people rely on their party leaders to know what the xp implications are for running Content X on Difficulty Y with players levels A, B, and C. 




It makes no sense because Epic Destinies are sold as something to empower your character when they reach level 20.  Coming back and prohibiting access to content based on the said advantage that they sold to customers makes no sense at all.

If they are saying you can't use your ED's in Reaper they should also cut off access to the stuff they want to sell you in the DDO Store while in Reaper.. as that is the same type of advantage.



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Daggertooth wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 3:41am:
Epic Destinies are sold as something to empower your character when they reach level 20.


EDs are not an optional power increase. They are a paywall between piking and effectiveness in epic content.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 11:22am:
EDs are not an optional power increase. They are a paywall between piking and effectiveness in epic content.


The power increase is insane. It's almost like playing with AP and without AP
  
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Daggertooth wrote on Apr 9th, 2017 at 3:25am:
Put in a reaper xp penalty or cap/limitation if your 20 doing an 18-19 to account for ED's so people can't abuse the system. 

As someone who runs reaper for the challenge and pays little attention to the reaper xp, this really pisses me off.  This completely ruins all the lvl 18's and 19's now which is a significant portion of the game, all to stop some morons from trying to abuse the reaper xp system.   

Just put a penalty or modifier to reaper xp for lvl 20s+ running lvl Heroic lvl quests.

I PM'ed Revaulting lets hope he gets off his fat ass and does something for once.


How does it ruin it? Do them with max level 19 characters.
  
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