spathic wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

I did.   

harharharhar wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

There's a big key here, and while we don't have the internal numbers, obviously, I'd venture a bet that most new players don't get anywhere near level 8 or so.

Part of these builds has to be don't be too squishy in the very beginning.  WE know a good thrower build with a good player behind it can be king of the mountain in nearly every quest, but there's a lot of history behind that scenario.  Tomes are fucking expensive now - these ain't yer grandpappy's 10k plat stat bumps - so I don't think it's an easy assumption that people are going to have a +2 for everything.  Returning shuriken are even more rare.  I do like the idea of having (a bound) one drop early.

These are geared toward total noobs, who aren't necessarily into the D&D mythos at all, and maybe won't find it fun to get every little +1 to damage.  The goal here isn't make them uber out of the starting gate, it's to get them saying "holy shit, this is awesome!  That was a tough fight, and I lived through it!"  Throwing them into a build that doesn't mature until after they've given up doesn't help anybody.

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

lama race you on a kobold?

harharharhar wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:


22 Dex, Shadow Star + Nicked Shortsword, 12 AP in NS.

10 average sneak attack (2d6) * 144% ANT/SE + 1% DS = 14.5

[1.5]2d3 + 2 enhancement + 6 dex + 1 deadly + 2 ninjutsu = 17x1.15 (crit profile) = 19.55 x 1.44 (ANT/SE) + .01 (DS) = 28.3475

plus

sting 20d4*2=100*.2*1.45 = 29

= 71.8475 average red name damage per animation while auto attacking

22 Dex, Nicked Shortsword x2, 12 AP in NS.

10 average sneak attack (2d6+3) * 140% TWF + 1% DS = 14.1

d6 + 1 enhancement + 5 avg dex + 1 deadly + 2 ninjutsu = 12.5x1.05 (crit profile) = 13.125 x 1.40 (ANT/SE) + .01 (DS) = 18.50625

plus

sting 20d4*2=100*.1*1.41 = 14.1
acid 3.5 * 1.41 = 4.935

= 51.64125 average red name damage per animation while auto attacking

Melee has a slight edge in animation rate, but shuri will be sneak attacking more often.

Revaulting wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Or just get them to ping me when they hit Korthos.   

Ah Pook wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

Damn, son.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 3:42am:


Chill out.

I was responding to various people saying low level shuri in general is always worse than melee.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Rubbinns wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 5:48pm:

harharharhar wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:


But yeah, I'm pretty sure an ungeared newb could sleepwalk melee my proposed NS build through STK chain on casual three times to get the guaranteed drop at level 3 solo w/ hire. 

5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

How do they even know it exists?

"Wayfinder Dael has an additional mission for you... go into the dankest dungeon and play it over and over until you get some crucial gear!"

Shurikens are not for beginners.

People are trying to get that across, so stop bein' a silly billy mr 5f

This thread is you trying to cram mandingo into an asian.

Theres a reason they hate blacks.

You guys are funny, arguing about how effective a shuriken build can or can't be w/o special items like Shadow Star.

I don't recall a similar complaint about bow users not being valid until Silver Longbow.

Bottom line:  Korthos is easy, even with a gimp build.  A hire is needed for elite cannith crystal, but then a noob can't open on elite anyway, so why are you building for elites?

He still has 10 Con on the 28 pt shintao build. Whether it's sacrificing Wis at chargen or Dex and putting some level ups into it to qualify for ITWF, that con score needs to go to 14 or 16. (14 is probably more reasonable).

After all, a beginner probably shouldn't be doing solo Heroic Elites, so DCs don't need to be as high, because saves will be lower, and enemy DPS will be lower, so stuns don't need to hit as often.

Vorpal Strikes is less important that 14 or more Con. A beginner with 10 Con won't even make it to epics, and even if they did they would be dying so frequently they would barely have any dps.

For a beginner, survivability always comes first. You can't get stronger if you can't finish the quest.

ITT : people thinking new players don't need hp.