Carpone wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 9:28am:

Non shuriken monkcher is fine. Always been fine.
Paralyze utility is immense and vastly ignored lol.
I have like 70 wisdom in water, enchant mastery twisted and 6+3+2 enchant on gear. Works like 80% time in 10 skulls, mostly no fail in lower skulls. Depends on mob of course.

yeah but a moncher doing paralizing is a waste you know. It's fine but if you're looking for optimal party I don't understand why wouldn't somene bring DC caster to do the cc with the bonus that they instakill, while leaving the monkchers to do DPS. Put each build on what they do best, dam it.

If you can effectively paralyze (or terror) the 10 skull trash and then effectively fury shot the boss...sounds good to me.

The biggest obstacle we've had so far is figuring out who is going to suck it up and be the primary melee  DPS toon.  When we quit (pre-U24), there wasn't alot of value in ETRs so we never did any.  Now, a pile of ETRs is pretty much required for melee in high skull:

9 Divine ETRs for +27 PRR
9 Primal ETRs for 135 HP
3 Martial ETRs for 9% Doublestrike
3 Arcane ETRs for +3 weapon (might as well open up that 5th Twist slot since we're this far in)
= 24 ETRs

Same applies to ITRs, which weren't worth the time investment previously:
3 PDK for +9 PRR
3 Shadar-Kai for 3% Dodge
= 6 ITRs

That doesn't even net him Completionist (again, wasn't previously worth it on a melee), and we haven't even talked about RTRs yet.

The melee build out will likely be something resembling this for max avoidance: https://www.reddit.com/r/ddo/comments/6kzzsv/thf_dwarf_12_fighter6_monk2_paladin...

If we go for at least 6 RTRs (because why not when we're this far down the rabbit hole already), we're talking like 6 months of non-stop level grinding before we're 'ready' to start gearing for R10.  At least that lines up well with the release of Ravenloft.  Severlin has done a fine job keeping the hamster wheel of pain in motion.

Carpone wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 7:07am:

Or you could play well and smart. That works too.
Without the fucking grind.

If I had a nickel everytime some tard with 30 past lives in bio was complete dead weight ...

Any reason why Bard 20 Spellsinger could not fulfill the role of healer as well as CC?  This would be in addition to a DC Illusion/Enchantment Wizard.  With the Heal SLA, Mass Hold Monster SLA, a 96 Enchantment DC, and a 120+ Perform skill for Fascinate, on paper is seems well suited for the dual role.

Human for the extra feat.

Heroic feats:
1|Spell Focus: Enchantment
1H|Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
3|Completionist
6|Quicken Spell
9|Empower Healing Spell
12|Heighten Spell
15|Spell Penetration
18|Greater Spell Penetration

Epic feats:
21|Epic Spell Penetration
24|Embolden Spell
27|Inspire Excellence
30|Enlarge Spell

ED feats:
26|Lasting Inspiration
28|Elusive Target
29|Fount of Life

Legendary feats:
30|Scion of the Feywild

**MOD|CHA Source**
18|Base
07|Tome
07|Level ups
17|Item (Slave Lords Crafting)
07|Insightful item (Cannith Crafting)
04|Quality (Slave Lords Crafting)
02|Profane (Ring)
02|Artifact (5pc Slave Lords Sorcery)
02|Yugoloth Potion
02|Remnant Turn-in Potion
01|Dragonborn Racial PL
01|Half-Elf Racial PL
01|Exceptional (Globe of True Imperial Blood)
06|Epic Desinty
02|Spellsinger enhancements
02|Warcaster enhancements
01|Human Adaptability
04|Spellsinger: Maestro of Life and Death
02|Competence (Inspire Excellence feat)
02|Completionist
02|Ship
||
92|Sustainable CHA
02|Action Surge: CHA
94|Temp CHA

Not included: Racial Completionist

**MOD|Enchantment DC Source**
10|Base
06|Heighten Spell
02|Embolden Spell
01|Spellsinger: Music of the Sewers
01|Spellsinger: Music of the Dead
01|Spellsinger: Music of the Makers
01|Spellsinger: Virtuoso
02|Spellsinger: Prodigy
01|Spellsinger: Yellow Marigold Crown
01|Spellsinger: Spell Song Trance
01|Spell Focus feat: Enchantment
01|Greater Spell Focus feat: Enchantment
03|Magister: Enchantment Specialist
41|CHA modifier
06|Equipment (Spell Focus Mastery - Slave Lords Crafting)
04|Insightful Item (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Mutilator_of_Minds)
02|Quality Item (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Mutilator_of_Minds)
02|Augment
04|Artifact (Slave Lord’s Sorcery 5pc)
01|Ship Buff
01|Profane (Shadowcaster)
04|Scion of the Feywild
||
96|Sustainable Enchantment DC
01|Action Surge CHA
97|Temp Enchantment DC

**MOD|Spell Penetration Source**
03|FvS PL x3
06|Wizard PL x3
20|Bard Levels
05|Magister levels
03|Magister
03|Spellsinger: Spell Penetration
02|Spellsinger: Prodigy
01|Spellsinger: Song of Arcane Might
02|Spell Penetration feat
02|Greater Spell Penetration feat
04|Epic Spell Penetration feat
07|Equipment (Slave Lords Crafting)
04|Insightful (http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Mutilator_of_Minds)
00|Quality (No real options)
01|Ship Buff
02|Twist of Fate: Echoes of the Ancestor Arcane
03|Twist of Fate: Draconic Spell Pen
||
68|Spell Penetration. So you can drop one of the twists or use Fatesinger, and still get no fail numbers.

**MOD|Perform Skill**
23|Heroic Ranks
10|Epic Ranks
04|Morale (Greater Heroism)
22|Profane CHA skills (LGS)
11|Insightful CHA skills (LGS)
06|Quality CHA skills (LGS)
05|Skill Tome
41|92 CHA modifier
02|Completionist
03|Epic Past Life feat: Skill Mastery x3
||
127|Perform skill

Not included: Racial Completionist, 22 Perform item, 11 Insightful Perform item

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

I hear you.  It wouldn't be DDO if we didn't first bitch about something, then subject ourselves to what we bitched about.  We want Reaper XP anyway, so might as well do RTRs.  Going to knock out ETRs first, because what the fuck was Severlin thinking with ETR PLs applying to level 1 toons?

Skrilla wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

Reading is fundamental.  For the math impaired: 24 ETRs + 6 ITRs + 6 RTRs = 6 months with one PL every 5 days.

Carpone wrote on Jul 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Another 24 racials, might as well get that last 6% elemental absorption, and 9 mrr. A year? That is some straight grinding....

Jelly_Muffin wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 2:56am:


Dat Grind thou

Jelly_Muffin wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 2:56am:


LOOOOL.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

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