Had a screenshot when I was only one logged in on Wfinder. Was something around black friday.

not dead yet... still more people than on European Servers towards the end.
( at peak hour we were happy to be able to get the whole server into a single raid group... )

Lol.  Wayfinder as the bellweather for the game as a whole.  Let's pick the known smallest server by a long shot that is the only one specifically targeted at a minority niche. 

Talk about cherry picking your data to make a point. 

Most European players don't even play on Wayfinder (or exclusively).  There are decent populations of Euros on the main servers, probably more than on Wayfinder at any given time.

My wife plays on Wayfinder sometimes. She likes the low population because it means a lot less lag, so she tells me.

Asheras wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 9:28am:

This is one of those "I'd rather them spend more time working on fixing the hard things than on upgrading old, busted loot from old, busted content" things. 

This would do more to revitalize the grouping, economies, and communities on the core servers than anything else SSG could do right now.  Dollars to donuts that they don't do it though.

Alternatively, they wouldn't even need CS to transfer/recreate the guilds on the new servers.   Just setup a script that automatically calculates the current value/cost of a guild's renown, airship, amenities and upgrades.  Then auto-grant the guild leader that amount of plat and shards on the new server.   Let the guild leader manually recreate the guild themselves.

Asheras wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 9:28am:

Agreed.

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Target Servers: Sarlona, Khyber I can see as reasonable targets... But Ghallanda and Orien?

People have complained about those servers being dead as doornails for years. Orien is particularly bad for douchebags and out-of-control dupers too, unless we all got lucky and they quit.

However, the 1st law of Conservation of Assholes says that Assholes can be neither created nor destroyed, they merely change forum handles.

I'll agree Wayfinder is just for TP grinding, since there's like 10 people on it at peak hours. Why the Hell they don't just fold it into another server (whichever once has the highest concentration of German speakers or Euros in general, they must know where they're all logging in from) and call it a day is beyond me. Wasted resources and maintenance.

Cannith is hit-and-miss, sometimes it's jammed to the rafters, other times there's tumbleweeds blowing through all the public areas. There are a LOT of people running anonymous too.

I've toyed with transferring to another server from here myself, but I don't want to "start over" with a new Guild since I'm leader of a Lvl 100+ guild now. I may change my mind due to pressing "real world" issues though.

I can't really speak much to Thelanis or Argo, but both of them seemed to be roughly at par with Sarlona or Khyber when I played there.

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Level 100+ seems an arbitrary metric like noanimeo said... My Guildie dropped a LOT of real world cash into our Daedalan Kraken and all the good ship buffs well before we hit Lvl 100+.

If anything, the Guild Transfer should be based on start date, or shards spent, or both, rather than Guild Level since half the active high level guilds got there by abusing renown exploits to Hell and back before the bugs got fixed.

As for the people who don't move... Well... They're outta luck.

In the end, the game is in your inventory, so where you play doesn't matter much.

One imanginary instance is as good as another, unless one has people in it 

Digimonk wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:


This could easily add up to much more than plat-cap on a single character.

Asheras wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:


Value is a pretty highly subjective thing. When my "guild" first started, we worked like hell to grind favor and spent nearly every copper we had on the smallest-tier ship in the game. To us, that guild was worth everything we had, and represented hours and hours of work.

All for a lvl 20, two-man guild.

Flash forward to today, that 2-man guild is now a 1-man guild, after literal YEARS of effort I have finally reached level 60, and through it gained the ability to get basically all the amenities that are worth anything. I've also personally spent a considerable amount of money buying an AS airship and some AS amenities.

But again, by your standards, my guild is hardly worth anything, and I find that just a little offensive.

Metal-Beast wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:


Orien has the default, and thus a high population.  That's why I kept it.  But you can move that and dump it.  It was an add on in 2009, so maybe keep one of the older servers.  Thelanis or Argo.  Honestly, it should merge with Sarlona so that all the "feature" fans can be together.

Ghallanda, I thought, was doing better than Thelanis, Argo, and Cannith.  But, I'm wrong, pick something else.  Or just go with 3 targets instead of 4.

noamineo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 1:08pm:


Again, not trying to shit on your guild or your effort or investment.  Just trying to create something that limits the griefing or work load.   There are a lot of level 20 guilds that have been inactive for years.  No need to deal with them.  Also, if I have an alt guild at level 15 and it's free, I'll make them move it.  If I have an alt guild and it costs 500TP, maybe I say screw it.  I'll start it over.  Or just roll those toons into my main guild when i get to my new home.  Or, find a new guild and meet some new people in my new destination rather than recreating the same situation I had before. 

Metal-Beast wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 1:26pm:



I'm sure there is a middle ground.  Just make it something people need to be active to initiate so that you don't have to deal with the inactive guilds and make it have some cost (100 AS is fine) so that people don't just do it to be annoying.  And do it in such a way that it can't be exploited/duped.  It's not that difficult.

Lamefinder should have been closed years ago.  It's never had a population and is hardly a canary in a coalmine.

Metal-Beast wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

From everything I've read in recent times and personally seen in-game, Ghallanda appears to have one of the more active and healthier populations.  There are usually multiple LFMs posted for various level ranges during primetime hours.

Unless you're a raging asshole in-game, I can't see it being that hard to transfer to Ghallanda and join a 150+ level guild.  I know several of the mid and high level guilds are actively looking for new members.  Doing so could also potentially be a step up in terms of guild buffs, storage, etc.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/453588-All-Server-Guild-List-Lvl-175


Asheras wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 1:07pm:

Not sure what you're debating here.  You essentially just parroted what I said except for the renown.

You proposed that SSG shut down the ghost town servers and give people a free transfer to their choice of one of four servers.  Guild data is not shared between servers, so there would be no duping if they shut the old servers down.

They already have the ability to award guild renown in varying amounts in-game (saga rewards).  Shouldn't be too hard even for SSG to tweak that system for this.  Same for shards.


noamineo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2017 at 1:08pm:

It's not like they couldn't create vouchers for the total in fractions based on the plat cap.  Or just temporarily allow the guild leader toon to exceed the plat cap in a manner similar to the character inventory overflow system.  Lots of ways to work around that.