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Reply #25 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 4:59pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
Don't merge things half-assed. Mega server or bust.


Mega-server is a practical impossibility. The engine simply wasn't designed for it, you are talking about re-coding the application on a massive, low-level scale. If they can't fix the TR cache bug, do you really think they can re-write the core functionality of the server software?

No.




Asheras wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
CONS with server merge:

1)  They force you to go to server X.  No choice which server to go to.
2)  They have to deal with all the inactive characters.
3)  They have to deal with all the inactive guilds.
4)  They have to deal with all the TR caches and shared banks and stuff that isn't character specific.
5)  By having no "proactive" component, you will have people who will be lazy or just intentionally difficult.  Like with the mailbox limit. 
6)  The naming issues.

There is nothing attractive about server merges.  They are a cluster fuck. 


FIFY

PROS of server merge:
1)one-time headache that covers all use-cases
2)supports inactive characters
3)supports inactive guilds (These count as pros because people DO come back)
4)They have to deal with all the TR-caches. Maybe while they're at it, they can fix the fucking things.
5)The "proactive" component is on the developer's side to devise a solution that is as painless as possible for all parties involved. You don't have to deal with the customers on a player-by-player basis, you tell them "This is what's happening" and then do it. Which is more in-line with SSGs style anyway.
6. Merge has potentially to generate actual revenue, as players who want to transfer to a different server than the targeted merge server have the option to pay for character transfers.

Keep in mind, both my character and my entire guild have endured multiple 6-10 month "inactive" stretches. Be a shame to see a money-spending player and guild left behind just because they happened to be on a break.


Digimonk wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
It's not like they couldn't create vouchers for the total in fractions based on the plat cap.  Or just temporarily allow the guild leader toon to exceed the plat cap in a manner similar to the character inventory overflow system.  Lots of ways to work around that.


Allowing the guild leader to exceed the cap is not possible; the cap is the cap because of the way the game stores data, not some arbitrarily set limit.

A voucher system would work great, though. Hell, a voucher system could have fixed the motherfucking plat economy instead of this astral shard bullshit Tongue
  

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Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:26pm
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Way past the "dyin" point.
There are maybe 100 - 350 people on, add 50 unguilded newbs on Orien and that's it.
Sometimes even less than 100 on Ghallanda who list.

Was a fun ride but now everybody's gone.
Except 200 ocd bimbos with million past lives that ironically can't play for shit, guess not many people are interested in fucking grind as the only mean of character progression.

No trading, no customer support, tr bugs, shitty content and every update is basically a cash grab that obsolete previous stuff, "short term" without keeping the game and its direction "intact".
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Reply #27 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:35pm
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Wipe wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
add 50 unguilded newbs on Orien and that's it.

Makes the lfm look good, but once you hover over them you see majority of them are single lfms that never get clicked on. A few normal lfms that no one ever hits up, some way over level ones that are also dry.

The remaining players don't know the mechanics of things like FoT or Shroud. Had a wipe in EE FoT few days. No one took dragons, is fine for me on ee, i don't mind. SR tank turned into SR kiter around entire quest. Fine for me, had sheath, on shiradi, + absorption charges. Got SR and TO to 5%, then they dropped SR without telling anyone. I wasn't about to potion just to solo an easy raid while everyone was dead. They deserved the fail.
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Reply #28 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm
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noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
Allowing the guild leader to exceed the cap is not possible; the cap is the cap because of the way the game stores data, not some arbitrarily set limit.

Except they've already raised it once in the past and could do so again if they wanted.
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:02pm
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
Except they've already raised it once in the past and could do so again if they wanted.


The 4.3 million limit is a 32-bit unsigned integer, is a limitation in how the game stores currency(as the number of coppers you have). They were able to raise the limit before because it was originally a lower, artificial cap. It is now capped in a way that cannot be changed without drastic re-coding.
  

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Reply #30 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:20pm
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noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
drastic re-coding

Add a plat column.
  

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Reply #31 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:31pm
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Or.. in that ship place where you buy them.. you can deposit like up to 10mill.. that you cant take out that goes to the ship only.. our ship has that much in there now even tho we got everything..lol


They can put that $$ there
  
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Reply #32 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:23pm
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noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
The 4.3 million limit is a 32-bit unsigned integer, is a limitation in how the game stores currency(as the number of coppers you have). They were able to raise the limit before because it was originally a lower, artificial cap. It is now capped in a way that cannot be changed without drastic re-coding.

Like I said, there are plenty of ways around that which wouldn't require "drastic" measures.

In the end, it doesn't really matter though because SSG has proven that they give no more fucks about revitalizing DDO and fixing the dwindling server populations and attrition than Turbine did so they're not going to do anything like this any time soon.
  
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Digimonk wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Like I said, there are plenty of ways around that which wouldn't require "drastic" measures.


Ok, so clearly you haven't done any coding.

Flav or Strak or someone want to hop in and explain exactly why changing something that fundamental is not simple?
  

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Reply #34 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:39pm
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Skrilla wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:31pm:
Or.. in that ship place where you buy them.. you can deposit like up to 10mill.. that you cant take out that goes to the ship only.. our ship has that much in there now even tho we got everything..lol


They can put that $$ there


The deposite system can do that because tis only tracking platinum, where as personal fortune is tracked by coppers.
  

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Reply #35 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 12:07am
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Metal-Beast wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
Orien is particularly bad for douchebags and out-of-control dupers too, unless we all got lucky and they quit.


Show us on the doll where the baddy uncle Orienite touched you.  Grin Grin Grin
  

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Reply #36 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 12:16am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
The remaining players don't know the mechanics of things like FoT or Shroud. Had a wipe in EE FoT few days. No one took dragons, is fine for me on ee, i don't mind. SR tank turned into SR kiter around entire quest. Fine for me, had sheath, on shiradi, + absorption charges. Got SR and TO to 5%, then they dropped SR without telling anyone. I wasn't about to potion just to solo an easy raid while everyone was dead. They deserved the fail.


Solo that shit like a pro. It's hella easy especially on a ranged toon )))
  

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Reply #37 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 1:04am
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wow, lots of things....

G-Land is quite alive, we are still able to fill the friday and saturday evening raids with just the signups on guild website. ( that's something that was not so easy in the latter days of Keeper )

Merging : the only way to do it that late in the game is to do a soft merge.

One Free Transfer to the server of your choice for all characters, wait a quarter  to see how the dust settle.
look at the lowest population servers and warn that they are going to get killed, it's time to transfer if you want to move to a server that's not the one that is going to receive the characters ( 1,5 month warning ). Only merge the chracters that have been active in the last 3 years... and rename basaed on activity. ( not active gets renamed, most active gets to keep his/her name )

noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:02pm:
The 4.3 million limit is a 32-bit unsigned integer, is a limitation in how the game stores currency(as the number of coppers you have). They were able to raise the limit before because it was originally a lower, artificial cap. It is now capped in a way that cannot be changed without drastic re-coding.

Digimonk wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:23pm:
Like I said, there are plenty of ways around that which wouldn't require "drastic" measures.

In the end, it doesn't really matter though because SSG has proven that they give no more fucks about revitalizing DDO and fixing the dwindling server populations and attrition than Turbine did so they're not going to do anything like this any time soon.

noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:37pm:
Ok, so clearly you haven't done any coding.

Flav or Strak or someone want to hop in and explain exactly why changing something that fundamental is not simple?


depends on how it has been coded.... it might just be to change in the declaration part longint to doubleint and recompile, that assume that they used a string in the database for the field.... but if they used a longint in the database, changing it to doubleint wwill lead to lots of fun stuff.
( said another way : unless you want to spend days fixing broken things you do not change a data type in a database. )

It all depends if the guy that did the datamodel had a clue or not... And since the currency initially was gold not plat, I suspect they didn't think about players getting filthy rich, so the field is probably a longint in the database ( it saves a lot of space compared to a string : 4.300.000.000 = 10 bytes in string format, but the actual space reserved might be longer,  4 in longint format )

Oh and the exact value is 4294967295. ( also 11111111111111111111111111111 or FFFFFFFF )
  

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Reply #38 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 1:29am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 12:16am:
Solo that shit like a pro

could have easily. my kiting skills are S tier.  Was on a shiradi. even without joy I can piss on that raid. The group deserved the wipe. I'm not going to waste pots for some idiots that can't be bothered to do even basic shit.
  

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Reply #39 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 2:28am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 12:07am:
Show us on the doll where the baddy uncle Orienite touched you.


I don't know...Orien is kinda the Florida of servers.
  

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noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:37pm:
Ok, so clearly you haven't done any coding.

Flav or Strak or someone want to hop in and explain exactly why changing something that fundamental is not simple?

There's a million easy ways to do it.  You just wouldn't change the original thing at all.

They should just do like Canada and Australia though.  Drop copper entirely!   Grin
  

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Skoodge wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 2:28am:
I don't know...Orien is kinda the Florida of servers.

A giant limp phallus that old people visit once a year?
  

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Ah Pook wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 2:40am:
There's a million easy ways to do it.  You just wouldn't change the original thing at all.

They should just do like Canada and Australia though.  Drop copper entirely!   Grin


So all those quests that drop copper when you break boxes?

Every single vendor that calculates copper into the value of an items you're selling down to the copper?

Hell, all the items that cost coppers?

You wanna watch the team that can't even fix a ladder bug re-code all of that?
  

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I remember the time when copper was important, and every coin from bashed barrel was collected... At that time the hard currency was Gold, and people with 1k plats were filthy rich.  Roll Eyes
  

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Investing time to make a Haggle bard used to be a thing.
  
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I remember a time when DDO had a functioning economy.
  

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noamineo wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:37pm:
Ok, so clearly you haven't done any coding.

Flav or Strak or someone want to hop in and explain exactly why changing something that fundamental is not simple?

Clearly you're just being your usual, dense self.  I understand full well the difference between floating point, short, normal and long integers, etc., etc.

I didn't say they would have to change it from an int to a long int or a floating.  I said there are plenty of ways around it, even if they really were shortsighted enough type the variable improperly, which this being SSG I can believe they might have been.  For example, the platinum vault storage in the shared bank.

It seems at this point that you're just arguing for arguing's sake. 
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