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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Bladeforged Archer Sep 12^th, 2017 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	Want to make a BF Archer so it's got to have some levels of Paladin in it. I was thinking some combination of Paladin/Fighter/Ranger like 2PAL/12FTR/6RNGR (all the good Weapon Specialization feats for damage purposes), 10RNGR/2PAL/8FTR (Evasion mostly), or maybe just a plain old 8FTR/6PAL/6RNGR build. Does any of the builds I mentioned above stand out as being clearly better than the others? Any other suggestions?
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #1 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 4:34pm	Print Post
	It needs monk.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #2 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 12^th, 2017 at 4:34pm: It needs monk. Monk instead of what? BTW...this is supposed to be for Heroics.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #3 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	12 monk/6 fighter/2 paladin

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #4 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	Was thinking 12 Monk/6 Ranger/2 Paladin Why Fighter instead of Ranger? The competence bonuses to crit range and crit multiplier from Kensei?
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #5 - Sep 12^th, 2017 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	Kensei is great for ranged combat, it's not just the crit. Code Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Archery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Archery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Archery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Contemplation (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Contemplation (Rank 2) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Contemplation (Rank 3) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 2) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 3) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Archery (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Shot (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Dexterity (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike at the Heart (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Dexterity (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - A Good Death (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Shot (Rank 1) Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #6 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 8:36am	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Sep 12^th, 2017 at 5:17pm: BTW...this is supposed to be for Heroics. Oh. What is this supposed to mean? Do you intend to park the build at 19?


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #7 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 11:42am	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 8:36am: Oh. What is this supposed to mean? Do you intend to park the build at 19? He's got a point, you can't TR a bladeforged at 20.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #8 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	I said Heroics because I didn't want anyone to confuse the issue with possibly false assumptions about what the toon should be with Epic Destinies in mind.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #9 - Sep 13^th, 2017 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	Fair enough. Typically when I tyalk build I'm only referring to race and class breakdowns anyway. 5 foot's 12 monk/6 fighter/2 paladin looks like it could be a lot of fun, I've been looking for something to do with longbows again anyway. @5 Foot: what are you doing with the 12 monk? Also, is this one of those builds that only does massive burst damage when the stars are aligned, or does it have sustained DPS?

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #10 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 12:44am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 5:25pm: @5 Foot: what are you doing with the 12 monk? Also, is this one of those builds that only does massive burst damage when the stars are aligned, or does it have sustained DPS? I'd like to know the answers to these questions as well.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #11 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:01am	Print Post
	If you're going to arch, not building for 10k stars seems like a bad idea. So you need at least 6 monk for that and you need at least 6 fighter for the kensei goodies. You could just as easily do 12 fighter rather than 12 monk, it's going to come down to how much you value Power Surge + 2 feats + a couple hp + 1 BAB vs Improved Evasion, Abundant Step, better saves, 3 AC, 10% move speed, Wholeness of Body. Heroic DPS is the standard Manyshot/10k rotation. 20 seconds Manyshot +AB 10 seconds pew pew 30 seconds 10k+AB 30 seconds pew pew 30 seconds 10k+AB lather, rinse, repeat

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #12 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 1:15pm	Print Post
	Does 10K Stars still work with Bows?

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #13 - Sep 14^th, 2017 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 11:01am: If you're going to arch, not building for 10k stars seems like a bad idea. So you need at least 6 monk for that and you need at least 6 fighter for the kensei goodies. You could just as easily do 12 fighter rather than 12 monk, it's going to come down to how much you value Power Surge + 2 feats + a couple hp + 1 BAB vs Improved Evasion, Abundant Step, better saves, 3 AC, 10% move speed, Wholeness of Body. Heroic DPS is the standard Manyshot/10k rotation. 20 seconds Manyshot +AB 10 seconds pew pew 30 seconds 10k+AB 30 seconds pew pew 30 seconds 10k+AB lather, rinse, repeat That certainly makes sense, but at that point you've just got a fairly standard Muncher . Great burst DPS, but managing cool downs isn't a whole lot of fun. I've done it; between the lead-up and it never quite being ready when you want, you end up not having a real great time.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #14 - Sep 15^th, 2017 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 1:15pm: Does 10K Stars still work with Bows? As long as your centered with them, which you'll pick up in T5 Kensei. noamineo wrote on Sep 14^th, 2017 at 3:26pm: That certainly makes sense, but at that point you've just got a fairly standard Muncher . Great burst DPS, but managing cool downs isn't a whole lot of fun. I've done it; between the lead-up and it never quite being ready when you want, you end up not having a real great time. WTF else are you gonna do with a bow? If you don't take 10k, then it's just 20 secs of Manyshot and 100 secs of plinking.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #15 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 7:13am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 15^th, 2017 at 2:52pm: As long as your centered with them, which you'll pick up in T5 Kensei. WTF else are you gonna do with a bow? If you don't take 10k, then it's just 20 secs of Manyshot and 100 secs of plinking. You can get the centering with zen archery If you go ranger then you can use some AA imbues when on timer. Honenstly the pally part is the problem. It's bringing nothing to the table on a BF. The loh, divine might, and defender stance are all redundant or useless. That leaves you with saves boost. Which isn't enough. LR that out.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #16 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 2:03pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Sep 18^th, 2017 at 7:13am: You can get the centering with zen archery If you go ranger then you can use some AA imbues when on timer.� �Honenstly the pally part is the problem.� It's bringing nothing to the table on a BF.� The loh, divine might, and defender stance are all redundant or useless.� That leaves you with saves boost.� Which isn't enough.� LR that out. That's if I go with Fighter instead of Ranger. Maybe 12 Monk/8 Fighter is the way to go, then. Come to think of it, if I'm only going with two classes, Maybe 12 Fighter/8 Ranger is a better option. No Evasion, of course, but I do get to take the Adamantine Plating feat and get to take some of those Stalwart Defender Enhancements. Hmm... Man, I'm gonna need a lot of APs. Probably too many to divide between AA, Kensei and Stalwart. Maybe 12 Ranger/8 Fighter would be better. I'd concentrate APs between AA and Kensei and have some to spend in the BF tree. Decisions, decisions.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8852 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #17 - Sep 18^th, 2017 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	BF is always a solid base for the no-hassle healing. I think that fighter/ranger mix sounds like a lot of fun. Should net you some very solid sustained DPS.

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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #18 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	So...Tier 5 of Kensei or Tier 5 of Deepwood Sniper?

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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #19 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 4:15pm	Print Post
	DWS + Arcane Archer tree > Kensai all day long for a bow build. Gets a bit more iffy on a shuriken build but you're talking about bows so Ranger all the way. DR bypassing and CC options plus elemental imbues plus with level appropriate spellpower are reasonably OP'd in heroics.� In DWS, the extra SA die and range, Killer, Sniper Shot, Merciful Shot, Head Shot and Leg Shot are a far better overall package for a bow than what you get from Kensai. I'd personally go with 12 ranger, 6 monk, 2 paladin. Might even just go with 1 paladin and 7 monk for more manyshot bonus.
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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #20 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	Gotta put at least 11 AP into Kensei for Strike With No Thought. I like the extra 20% Doublestrike from Tier 5 DWS a lot. Was trying to ascertain which was better - 20% more Ranged Power or 20% more Doubleshot. Thinking of going with the extra Doubleshot. BTW...going with 12 Fighter/8 Ranger split or 12 Ranger/8 Fighter split. Haven't decided yet but I am leaning toward the 12 Ranger levels one.
	« Last Edit: Nov 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm by Technomage »
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #21 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	Going with 12/8 ranger/fighter is a mistake in my opinion. Only two bow builds I'd consider running are a pure ranger for the capstones or one that has 6 monk. Bow DPS is really mediocre outside of Manyshot and 10K Stars. If you're going to burn a +1 heart to drop the paladin levels, I'd suggest a 12/8 ranger/monk.


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged Archer Reply #22 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	20 Ranger is pretty strong... Will consider it.

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