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  Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:09am  
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I didn't get on Lamma. Have any of my homies DPS tested it compared to a standard Rogue TWF?
Animations are wEIrD?D. Hopefully its not a Starmie tattooed on my asshole.
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  Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:54am  
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Tried to test it, broken (aka buggy) as hell, disables most other enhancements.
This shit was never even alpha-tested, so wait for the next update or for the final version.  Lips Sealed
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  Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 11:04am  
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SweetKitten wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:54am:
disables most other enhancements.


How so?
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  Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 11:38am  
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 10:09am:
I didn't get on Lamma. Have any of my homies DPS tested it compared to a standard Rogue TWF?
Animations are wEIrD?D. Hopefully its not a Starmie tattooed on my asshole.

I did not even bother testing it. Was too busy kicking it with shavara and telling her that halfling would get a better time on her thrower over elf. And that 10dr/6mk/4rr beats eth's 12mnk in a dps test easily. She(he? idk) was getting 20-19 seconds consistently, with or without fatesinger twist. Though on my shitty character the twist was equal to haste boost when compared to haste boost and no twist, twist and haste boost, and twist and without haste boost. All on just auto attack for simplicity. Dunno why it didnt increase shavara's times slightly, very odd, but it continued to increase my times when paired with m/r power boost. IDK if she might have had gilvenor's set on, maybe?
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  Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 12:34pm  
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Made a dex based twf ranger, took dex to damage from tempest and the new fighting style, equipped two daggers and got my ass kicked - no dex damage, default strenght.
Ok, add some rogue levels, take the dex to damage assassin enhancement - same shit.
Keep calm, test whirlwind attack - ugh, slower as hell combined with no damage at all.
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  Reply #5 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 6:16pm  
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Vistani melee animation

Haven't found a video with the thrower animation yet.
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  Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 7:57pm  
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 11:38am:
I did not even bother testing it. Was too busy kicking it with shavara and telling her that halfling would get a better time on her thrower over elf. And that 10dr/6mk/4rr beats eth's 12mnk in a dps test easily. She(he? idk) was getting 20-19 seconds consistently, with or without fatesinger twist. Though on my shitty character the twist was equal to haste boost when compared to haste boost and no twist, twist and haste boost, and twist and without haste boost. All on just auto attack for simplicity. Dunno why it didnt increase shavara's times slightly, very odd, but it continued to increase my times when paired with m/r power boost. IDK if she might have had gilvenor's set on, maybe?


so odd that you're finding Echoes Shiradi to boost speed. In all my testing I never saw this. Wonder what other stealth changes they make under the hood without ever saying anything.

If it does boost speed, and the other vistani stuff stacks, maybe just maybe there's a bard thrower with knives out there that could work.
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  Reply #7 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 8:10pm  
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Also I can't seem to find anywhere listing the bonus type of Lethality +1 crit multi, but I seem to remember it being insight? Also, does Knife specialization from Assassin still work with throwing knives?
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  Reply #8 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 8:32pm  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 7:57pm:
so odd that

I can't explain it, and I don't know why shavara had no differences when using it. All 3 configurations of twist+haste, twist w/o haste, and haste w/o twist came in at around 140 seconds using auto attack. When I used rotations, unbridled, adrenaline, boosts w/o twist my times were low 50s to mid 40s. yet when using twist and proper method I was getting 30-27. That is too huge of a gap to not have something amiss.
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.  Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.  They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
 
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  Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:03pm  
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 8:32pm:
I can't explain it, and I don't know why shavara had no differences when using it. All 3 configurations of twist+haste, twist w/o haste, and haste w/o twist came in at around 140 seconds using auto attack. When I used rotations, unbridled, adrenaline, boosts w/o twist my times were low 50s to mid 40s. yet when using twist and proper method I was getting 30-27. That is too huge of a gap to not have something amiss.


yeah but those times are so low that streaks could make it look like something it's not. How many times did you test times with and without?
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  Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:11pm  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
How many times did you test times with and without?

Around 10x without, 20x with. It's not streaks. With twist I could consistently place in 30 or few seconds under. 20-30 second difference could not be high rolls, and if they were I would not be able to nail down that time at will.
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.  Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.  They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
 
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  Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:42am  
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fair enough.

but unless you can get someone else I to replicate I'd stay a little skeptical about it
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  Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:47pm  
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  Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:24pm  
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Trollero wrote on Oct 8th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Thanks for putting that on the mobos Sobsob. 

As if they haven't already nerfed shuris enough, now, sooner or later, someone will whinge to the devs about shuris and haste features, whether it's true or not.  If this was working for some reason, they'll stop that right quick.

Fight club rules guys.   Keep that shit in PMs.
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  Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 5:47am  
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Don't worry, they will nerf something on shuri builds again and somehow find another new way to buff mechs at the same time.
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.  Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.  They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
 
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Digimonk wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 11:24pm:
Thanks for putting that on the mobos Sobsob. 

As if they haven't already nerfed shuris enough, now, sooner or later, someone will whinge to the devs about shuris and haste features, whether it's true or not.  If this was working for some reason, they'll stop that right quick.

Fight club rules guys.   Keep that shit in PMs.



W the Actual F are you talking about.

I've had these speed test results on the Mobos for like EVER.

Also, I only wrote that Echoes might actually be working, I never suggested to anyone that it is in any way overperforming, let alone even normal performing.

Fuck off.
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  Reply #16 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:04pm  
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 5:47am:
Don't worry, they will nerf something on shuri builds again and somehow find another new way to buff mechs at the same time. 


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  Reply #17 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:56pm  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
W the Actual F are you talking about.

I've had these speed test results on the Mobos for like EVER.

Also, I only wrote that Echoes might actually be working, I never suggested to anyone that it is in any way overperforming, let alone even normal performing.

Fuck off.

Are you really that clueless?
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Digimonk wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Are you really that clueless?


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I tried out Nubbinns's theory and couldn't get anything out of it. Hard speed cap is still in effect as far as I can tell. If he is breaking it, it must be echoes interacting with something.

Anyway, I tried testing Rogue Assassin head to head with and without Vistani and was thwarted by Knife Specialization being completely broken and functionless in all circumstances on Lam.

20 rogue assassin Vistani looked good in a vacuum, but it was not obviously more or less than the same build without it.
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5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:45pm:
I tried out Nubbinns's theory and couldn't get anything out of it. Hard speed cap is still in effect as far as I can tell. If he is breaking it, it must be echoes interacting with something.

Anyway, I tried testing Rogue Assassin head to head with and without Vistani and was thwarted by Knife Specialization being completely broken and functionless in all circumstances on Lam.

20 rogue assassin Vistani looked good in a vacuum, but it was not obviously more or less than the same build without it.


My assumption, and I mean ZERO disrespect to rubbins, was that maybe he missed a source of speed that is same typed with Echoes, and so it looked like a speed up but in reality at end game all geared and built up it wouldn't have happened the same.
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
My assumption, and I mean ZERO disrespect to rubbins, was that maybe he missed a source of speed that is same typed with Echoes, and so it looked like a speed up but in reality at end game all geared and built up it wouldn't have happened the same.

probably. seems likely. I have a decent gear set up on lam right now that should put me at 75% of optimal end game dps(dont have toee set and dont have high mythic/reaper rolls, putting me behind like 40~ rp when 10k'ing compared to a 14/6). Which is a shit ton of RP, but also factoring in I'm down 6 doubleshot lives, 3 enchant weapon lives, 3 monk lives, and 2 rogue lives, completionist, racial completionist, max twist slots, at least 10 dex/int/wis lower than maxed toons.

All that combined on halfling should shatter 20 seconds. I mean, I can reach 27 seconds last lama and that was despite missing that long ass list of shit I just posted.

Will test a bunch with twist running on and off. Not planning on rolling too many other builds like last time so can spend more time doing boring dps tests over and over. I should be coming in at 24~ seconds now, so if factoring all the missing things above I estimate average times of 15 or less on maxed toon with BiS gear.
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.  Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.  They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
 
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that's nutto

what split?
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  Reply #23 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:28pm  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
that's nutto

what split?

I went 12/6/2, traded 10 rp from 14/6 for 2 feats and a haste boost. though am regretting not going 14/6 now to max the dps.
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.  Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.  They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
 
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Digimonk wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Are you really that clueless?


also turns out you might be the clueless one
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