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  Oct 9th, 2017 at 10:30am  
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Looking for a little insight for a few choices I have to make.

First, how much fortification do you need in epics?  My pure, capped barb is at 238% fortification right now wearing a set of shadow armor.  I picked up a set of L Hardened Hide armor from Good intentions - it's medium and adds 10 to my AC, but I have to give up 5% dodge, which is an easy choice in my mind (5% dodge > 2% AC).

But the Hide armor would also push my fort from 238% to 339%.  Is it worth losing 5% dodge to pick up an extra 100 to my fort?  (think I'm at 23% dodge right now and that would drop me to 18%).

Next cloaks - my choices are

Epic Jeweled cloak - +10 to elemental resist and spell absorbing (which hasn't been much use near as I can tell.  It absorbs crappy spells I wouldn't even notice - think my SR is 45 or 50 in epics).

L Slave Master's Cloak - would add 4 AC (already have 10 protection on my bracers), 33 hitpoints, 1 point to my reflex saves (I don't think I have insightful resistance anywhere, but it only adds one crappy point to reflex instead of 6) and 16 DR spearblock.

L 24 Mimic Cloak - +15 DR and sticky guard (everything else is duplicated on other named items).

It basically comes down to, which is better?  10 elemental protection, +15 DR or +16 DR against arrows and a handful of hitpoints?

Thanks.

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  Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 11:14am  
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1. Not worth losing 5% dodge for an extra (unneeded) 100 fortification. Usually I try to shoot for around 200% Fort. I don't see the need for more.

2. Of the three choices you gave us, the Jeweled Cloak is easily the winner. the +10% resists are nice but the 20 or 25 charges that absorb spells is pretty nice.

Question: How often does the Sticky Guard proc on the mimic cloak? If it procs often and it slows down the mobs long enough, I might have to change my mind.
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  Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:10pm  
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You want fortification equal to 100 + the CR of the mobs you're fighting to negate sneak attacks and critical hits. So if you're tanking/soloing, then use the CR of the bosses. Otherwise use the highest CR of the trash.

Personally, I wouldn't wear the Epic Jeweled Cloak 24/7. I'd don it for a cluster of spell casters if soloing or famine reapers.
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  Reply #3 - Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:56pm  
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Skoodge wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 10:30am:
I picked up a set of L Hardened Hide armor from Good intentions - it's medium and adds 10 to my AC, but I have to give up 5% dodge, which is an easy choice in my mind (5% dodge > 2% AC).


Are we talking Shadowhide (Light) vs. Hardened Hide (Medium) armors? If so, you need to factor in the PRR differences from BAB and Greater Rage. (The medium armor will get +20 more PRR on a barb.) Also, do you have another source of Ghostly? Because, if you don't, that's another 10% damage mitigation in favor of Shadow Scale.

And do you have the Dragonblood Prophecy pack?  Because this armor isn't terrible to farm for:
http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Scales_of_Malice
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  Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:37am  
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QuantumFX wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Are we talking Shadowhide (Light) vs. Hardened Hide (Medium) armors?  If so, you need to factor in the PRR differences from BAB and Greater Rage.


Yeah, that finally sunk in late last night.  So I'd be adding +10 to AC, +12 PRR and +100% fortification in exchange for losing 5% dodge.  Is it worth it now?

QuantumFX wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
And do you have the Dragonblood Prophecy pack?


Nope.  Only missing two packs now, but that's one of them.  Looks good, but most of my toons usually pass the 15 mark on dex.
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  Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 2:29am  
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Skoodge wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 1:37am:
So I'd be adding +10 to AC, +12 PRR and +100% fortification in exchange for losing 5% dodge.


Don't forget Greater Rage's +10 PRR when using medium armor. So it's ~22 PRR.
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  Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2017 at 10:38am  
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Carpone wrote on Oct 9th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
You want fortification equal to 100 + the CR of the mobs you're fighting to negate sneak attacks and critical hits.


This. 238 is already superfluous, so an extra 100 is a complete waste. Note that some champions simply ignore your fortification though, so you will still get crat on.

That's why Hardened Hide is pretty lame. I would look into Scalemail of the Celestial Avenger, that is the low hanging fruit at cap. If you're more serious about optimizing gear that might not be the way to go though. If you're TWF, I would take a look at the list I posted for Str based tempests last year:

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L Executioner's Helm (Ins deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Qual CM+4, Mythic +3) 1 slot
E Golden Guile (Imp deception, Ghostly) 1 slot
E Litany (+2 stats, +4 hit and damage) 2 slots
Mysterious Cloak (45 exc Hamp, 25 ins MRR) 2 slots
L Animated Rope (Diversion 28, SA +14, Dodge 17, CM 14 (Ins), Mythic +3) 1 slot
L Ring of Power (Qual Str 4, Command (+2 UMD) Alacrity 15, Ins AP 13, Mythic +3) 1 slot
L Ring of Prowess (Deadly 14, Accuracy 28, MP 8, Mythic +3) 1 slot
CC Gloves (Dstrike/Hamp/Ins Str) 2 slots
Slave craft Boots (Str/AP/Tendon Slice/Q PRR/Mythic +3) 1 slot
Slave craft Bracers (Con/Devotion/Vertigo/Q Con/Mythic +3) 1 slot
Visions of Precision (Wis 12, Ins Wis 4, Stunning 15, Mythic +3) 2 slots
ToEE armor (Fort 150, lesser displace, Absorption, Resistance, Mythic +4) 1 slot
T3 TF Khopesh/ToEE Khopesh (Mythic +4) 3 slots
19 slots


As for cloaks, I would definitely go slave master unless you already have a high Parrying/Riposte slotted. It's also nice for the set bonus.
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