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Reply #25 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:21am
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noamineo wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
DPs are?


The moneysink formally known as turdbine points.

Makes more sense than calling them SSG points or Daybreak points since it's only a matter of time before the company gets sold again.
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:25am
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Zehnpai wrote on Oct 10th, 2017 at 3:27pm:
Honestly, I firmly believe they are handicapped in this.  And I don't mean that in the insulting way.

I mean that in order for DDO to remain financially viable they have to bend over backwards for WoTC.  Neverwinter is their baby and you see advertisements for it everywhere, but advertisements for DDO are virtually non-existent.

From what I understand a lot of what they can/can't do is dictated by these agreements, some of them going back a decade.

So it's entirely possible that they -can't- advertise the game to anyone that isn't already playing it.

At least that's what I hope.


To my own knowledge and understanding for when I pushed for the vampire iconic, this is pretty true. I was told ultimately any such idea would have to be sent to WotC and then they'd have to approve it and accept it. It's the literal reason my campaign for turning The Blood is the Life into a vampire shroud toggle for Blood of Vol divines was also stopped at the door.

That being said; to my knowledge from outside sources beyond SSG/Turdbind devs, they are allowed to do most shit they want for -EBERRON- content. They only have to get permission on things that are 'GM interpreted' per the setting. AKA: Blood of Vol vampires, a blood of vol vampire blackguard iconic, etc. Anything that would be seen as moving beyond the standard operations of Eberron's playerguide needs acceptance.

Which leaves the question of why the fuck they still refuse to do Shifters, Kalashtar, Psionics, summonable dinosaurs for halflings, completing the god damn Droam storyline, or generally doing anything that's straight eberron based anymore. There are so many good storylines and zones available in Eberron but they're splitting their attention way too much into other settings.
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:43am
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Is there any hope that they will ever offer the expansions for points or has that ship sailed?


  

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Reply #28 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:12am
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Edrein wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:25am:
There are so many good storylines and zones available in Eberron but they're splitting their attention way too much into other settings.


One thing that leads credence to it all too is that they've never denied it.  Lynn is usually pretty quick to call me on my bullshit especially.  I know it's a pretty tin-foil hat thing to say but in this case if the shoe fits...

I had a similar experience when I asked about removing spell reagents.  They are a -very- early/mid 2000's concept and you'll see that almost every other single MMO/game out there has moved away from it since it's simply put, not fun.

DDO hasn't and the vague wishy-washy answer I got from Cordovan on the livestream was that they aren't really allowed to fiddle with certain things and he dropped the subject at that.

So I can't help but imagine a -lot- of 'bad' stuff still in the game and the dearth of Eberron content isn't just a lack of man hours, but also a lack of permission from WoTC.

Now granted we haven't heard Keith Baker weigh in on DDO in quite awhile but he's also been hinting that WoTC has been showing more and more of an active interest in Eberron materials which may be why that we haven't seen much in the way of Eberron content in quite some time.

I'm really curious to see how they tie in Ravenloft.  If it's something like manifest as part of Mabar or an extension of the Day of Mourning and thus contained within the lore of Eberron or if it's more like Forgotten Realms was where they just said "Screw your Astral plane folding shenanigans, we want Lloth!"
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Reply #29 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:20am
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Zehnpai wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:17am:
How much you wanna bet those weapon aura's will be single use?

Anyways, saw the new Strahd leaked art

http://ddoplayers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Raven2.png

Strahd with pauldrons...meh.
  

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Reply #30 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:25am
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crunch wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:19am:
Here's what's known about availability per bundle

Aasimar race: A new heroic Eberron race which will be available in all Ravenloft Expansion bundles. Free to VIPs. Later purchasable via DDO Store

Vistani Knife Fighter: A new universal enhancement tree which will be available in select (but not all) Ravenloft Expansion bundles and, at a later date, in the DDO Store, as well as able to be earned from Favor attainable in Ravenloft content on a per character basis.

New Cosmetics: A variety of cosmetic outfits, helms, pets, and weapon aura's which will be available in select (but not all) Ravenloft Expansion bundles.

Permanent Gold Seal Hireling - Scarecrow: Two new Permanent Gold Seal Hirelings which will be available in select (but not all) Ravenloft Expansion bundles.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Mists_of_Ravenloft#Content_overview

How many new dungeons? Raids?

I find it extremely annoying they don't even mention new content (except a new wilderness area...big whoop).
  

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Reply #31 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:36am
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Technomage wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:25am:
How many new dungeons? Raids?


Don't quote me on this but I seem to recall them saying 10 dungeons and 2 raids.
  
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Reply #32 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:39am
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Zehnpai wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:17am:
Anyways, saw the new Strahd leaked art

http://ddoplayers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Raven2.png

If DDO marketing was run by an intern who gives a flying fuck like Lynnabel, it would be 100x better than the schlok like this or the 3 min long video of the logo.  At the very least the art should have been in context of the game, like a screenshot or desktop art.  "Concept art" is something you let the artists release in the context of a blog/livestream where they are discussing the development of the game, not give it to a fansite as a leak/preview.
  
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Reply #33 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:44am
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Zehnpai wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:36am:
Don't quote me on this but I seem to recall them saying 10 dungeons and 2 raids.

One raid has been confirmed by devs (I think by Cordo, but can't find the ref).  Two raids were indicated in Lam builds back in April through the /quests output, but who knows what's been cut since then.
  
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Reply #34 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 12:55pm
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Zehnpai wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:12am:
One thing that leads credence to it all too is that they've never denied it.  Lynn is usually pretty quick to call me on my bullshit especially.  I know it's a pretty tin-foil hat thing to say but in this case if the shoe fits...

I had a similar experience when I asked about removing spell reagents.  They are a -very- early/mid 2000's concept and you'll see that almost every other single MMO/game out there has moved away from it since it's simply put, not fun.

DDO hasn't and the vague wishy-washy answer I got from Cordovan on the livestream was that they aren't really allowed to fiddle with certain things and he dropped the subject at that.

So I can't help but imagine a -lot- of 'bad' stuff still in the game and the dearth of Eberron content isn't just a lack of man hours, but also a lack of permission from WoTC.

Now granted we haven't heard Keith Baker weigh in on DDO in quite awhile but he's also been hinting that WoTC has been showing more and more of an active interest in Eberron materials which may be why that we haven't seen much in the way of Eberron content in quite some time.

I'm really curious to see how they tie in Ravenloft.  If it's something like manifest as part of Mabar or an extension of the Day of Mourning and thus contained within the lore of Eberron or if it's more like Forgotten Realms was where they just said "Screw your Astral plane folding shenanigans, we want Lloth!"


I'd argue a lot of the problem is they probably lack anyone with charisma to actually make an argument worth a damn to WotC. I'd argue every time they make a request it's a lifeless, "Can we add this?" and WotC gives a near automatic yes or no.

Granted after a while you'd get annoyed by the micromanagement and probably go full jaded and just throw ideas and take whatever they allow without any form of bargaining but meh.
  
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Reply #35 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:08pm
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Yeah I knew the ten dungeons/2 raids part. Didn't really care about the raids, they're just going to be lvl 32 grind for lvl 30 items. Don't really need anything to wear from the bank to the reincarnation grove, thanks.
  

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Reply #36 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 3:25pm
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noamineo wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 1:08pm:
Yeah I knew the ten dungeons/2 raids part. Didn't really care about the raids, they're just going to be lvl 32 grind for lvl 30 items. Don't really need anything to wear from the bank to the reincarnation grove, thanks.


Most people are doing racials... i prolly wont even do the new raids. I only did this newest raid 1x.. and never will again. No point to..
  
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Reply #37 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:22pm
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Skrilla wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Most people are doing racials... i prolly wont even do the new raids. I only did this newest raid 1x.. and never will again. No point to..


Raiding is picking back up as people are getting to 30 racial PL's on their mains.  Still a lot are working on racials, but when ravenloft hits, there should be enough ready to go at end game that the raids will see some action.  RSO's timing was very unfortunate given the value of racial PL and the reaper XP-heroic levels synergy.
  
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Reply #38 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:27pm
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But what point are the raids? Are you really going to stay at cap just to grind two raids that only give you better lvl 30 gear?
  

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noamineo wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:27pm:
But what point are the raids? Are you really going to stay at cap just to grind two raids that only give you better lvl 30 gear?


A)  Raids are fun.

B)  Raid loot is the best loot.  Probably will have some system that feeds into Sentient weapons.

C)  Playing at cap will allow you to grind 4 raids (RSO, Shroud, Ravenloft I, Ravenloft 2) and 10 Ravenloft quests, Slavers, Mines of Teth.  If they fix the reaper XP earn at cap/epics, that works. 

D)  Playing fully finished builds is fun.  Especially the best builds that really hum when all the feats are available and working in concert with the gear and the PL's and the twists and the ED's. 

The game for me has always been to create finished builds and then see how they do in the toughest content on the toughest possible settings.  Heroic TR's, Racial TR's, Epic R's.  Those are fun and all.  But they are mostly parts of the journey. 

YMMV.
  
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Reply #40 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:36pm
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P.S.  I don't play exclusively at cap.  I have two characters that are earning PL's and two at cap, typically.  So that I can intermingle all aspects of the game together.
  
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Reply #41 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:45pm
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They really need a end game raid that you can run that gives you gear that you can use from level 20 and up.

Something along the lines of what greensteel was when the cap was 20. You got to level 20 and ran shroud on just about all your toons every 3 days because the stuff was great end game gear for any build and every toon you had and was just flat out fucking amazing when you got to level 12 and could use it.

There's a reason that Shroud runs were up daily. The gear was great and you could use it for a large portion of your life if you were banging out past lives. You could also trade the ingredients, and it was a LDS economy back then because of it.

Ah memories.....how did they fuck things up so bad to get this game in the state it is in now?






  

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Asheras wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
RSO's timing was very unfortunate given the value of racial PL and the reaper XP-heroic levels synergy.

And is filled with completion-preventing bugs like the dragon falling off the platform, and air vent rides that never stop going up.
  
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Reply #43 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:55pm
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somenewnoob wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Ah memories.....how did they fuck things up so bad to get this game in the state it is in now?


They decided to ignore TRing, and assume everyone just wants to play at cap.

What's funny is how MUCH effort they put into it back then. In addition to Greensteel, you had Ioun Stones. Hell, even Delaras was mostly lvl 7 but gave out some still amazing lvl 4 gear. I want to see more of that!
  

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noamineo wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
They decided to ignore TRing, and assume everyone just wants to play at cap.

are you high or something? every thing they have ever done has been for trs. everything. you butthurt bitch, open your eyes.
  

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Reply #45 - Oct 11th, 2017 at 8:04pm
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The only raid worth doing is Lshroud.. and havent seen one up in about a month..

And before that.. niggas couldnt even complete lh shroud or even ee fot.. raiding is dead af on our server..

And i wouldnt have ever done that newest raid if it wasnt for Rubbinns talking me into joining when I had my mind set on ship piking....
  
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The other reason im not doing the newest raid and very likely the 2 future one is this...

Since cap is 30 and been 28 to 30 for a while... they continue to make items that make the old raid items complete shit within months... for example...

All old heroic raids.... all items other than abbot quiver complete shit at cap. Some are good for rtring.

Citw.. all items other than celestia.. not used at cap.. rest can be replaced by bta stuff you can get in a run.

Fot.. all items complete shit now..

Mod.. all but litany and maybe embers complete shit..

Doj.. boots still good.. gloves good... rest.. total shit..

Rso.. ? I havent even looked.. but if you see the pattern above.. bta shit will make this stuff worthless as well in no time.

  
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I know some people will think... no shit.. older stuff gets garbaged all the time.. its part of the game..
But.. atm.. there isnt end game everyone including me is doing racials.. that too is part of the game..

So when this last raid came out, I needed room so after thinking of this I threw out like 30 or more old raid items into the trash. I thought when the fuck will I ever use this? And I cant store it elsewhere.. citw stuff is decent but i only would use them a few lvls. Why hold shit im using for a lvl or so?

And now that im doing racials.. why stop and do those raids just to have to throw it out by time I complete the 30 lives?

So... at this pt.. im not even wasting slaver mats.. because if i use them before end game is around.. ill just have to remake shit once ravenloft comes out..
  
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Reply #48 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:44am
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Motherfuckers need to make the new raids heroic and epic .... peeps still dig VON and TS at 10-12, ffs make more raids multi level and give us something to do while grinding racials and shit
  
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somenewnoob wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 9:43am:
Is there any hope that they will ever offer the expansions for points or has that ship sailed?


I was wondering the same thing. I refuse to pay real money for the expansion, or to give the Russians my CC info through their portal. Not that the Russians don't have it from Equifax or a host of other sources, but still....

Plenty of content to play, and by time I finish my Racials, everyone will have farmed Ravenloft for what they care about and there'll be no run to run with (See shadow phlogistans).
  
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