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Nov 12th, 2017 at 1:11pm
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5FS's Assman v2.0


Race: Aasimar/Scourge
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Class: 18 Rogue/1 Ranger/1 Monk


Stats: (36 pt build)

Strength............8
Dexterity...........18 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......16
Intelligence........12
Wisdom.............16
Charisma...........8


RaMRRR RRRRR RRRRR RRRRR

Feat Progression:

Level 1     : Precision
Level 2     : Two Weapon Fighting
Level 3     : Completionist
Level 6     : Adept of Forms
Level 9     : Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 12   : Improved Evasion
Level 12   : Improved Critical Pierce
Level 15   : Opportunist
Level 15   : Master of Forms
Level 18   : Slippery Mind
Level 18   : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 21   : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24   : Improved Sneak Attack
Level 26   : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 27   : Grandmaster of Forms
Level 28   : Elusive Target
Level 29   : Dire Charge
Level 30   : Sneak of Shadows
Level 30   : Scion of Ethereal Plane


Enhancements:

Racial: 12 AP
Cores 3/5 (Wis)
Scourge Weapons
Improved Recovery (2 pts)
Improved Scourge Weapons
Divine Purpose
Divine Resolve 1/3
Divine Charges 2/3


Assassin: 31 AP

Cores 5/6
Sneak Attack Training 1-4 (8 pts)
Shiv 3/3
Stealthy 2/3
Venomed Blades 3/3
Dex +1
Dex +1
Critical Mastery 3/3
Action Boost: Melee Power 3/3


Vistani: 42 AP

Cores 6/6
Knife Training 5/5 (10 pts)
Mist Stalker 5/5 (10 pts)
Rapid Slash (2 pts)
Undead Hunter
Bleeding Cuts (2 pts)
Haste Boost 3/3
Deadly Blades (2 pts)
Celerity
Double Daggers (2 pts)
Blessed Blades (2 pts)
Vendetta (2 pts)

Tempest: 4 AP
Cores 1/6
Improved Defense 3/3


Deepwood: 1 AP


Henshin: 1 AP


Shintao: 1 AP


Epic Destiny:  Shadowdancer

Stealthy 3/3
Technician 1/3
Dex +1

Skill Mastery
Dex +1

Grim Precision 3/3
Shrouding Strike 1/3
Dex +1

Dex +1
Improved Invis 1/3

Untouchable
Executioner's Strike 1/3
Dex +1

Shadow Form


Twists: 4/3/1/1/1

Sense Weakness
Balanced Attacks
Legendary Tactics
Rejuvenation Cocoon
Dance of Flowers


Gear:
L Executioner's Helm (Ins deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Mythic +3, reaper stats)
E Golden Guile (Improved Deception, Ghostly)
E Litany (+2 stats, +4 hit and damage)
Visions of Precision (Wis 12, Ins Wis 4, Stunning 15, Mythic +3)
Slave craft belt (False life 68/Deception 14/Shatter/Q PRR 11/Mythic 3)
L Ring of Prowess (Deadly 14, Accuracy 28, RP 8, Mythic +3)
CC Gloves(Doublestrike of Hamp 61 Ins Dex 7)
Slave craft ring (Wis 17/ Resistance 14/Vertigo/Q Wis 4/+3 Mythic)
Slave craft Boots (Dex 17/Dodge/Tendon Slice/Q Dex 4/+3 Mythic)
Slave craft Bracers (Con 17/Devotion Lore/Stunning/Q Con 4/+3 Mythic)
LGS Cloak (70 HP, 39 dex skills)
Outfit of the Celestial Guardian (Fort 159, Q Deadly 3, Sheltering 38, Parrying 7, Deathblock 9, blurry, Angelic Grace, 2 slots, mythic +4)
LGS Radiance dagger/TF Dragon's Edge dagger
« Last Edit: Mar 7th, 2018 at 10:25am by 5 Foot Step »  

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Re: Vistani Assassin
Reply #1 - Nov 12th, 2017 at 8:03pm
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Looks good.

What's your preferred breakdown of AP in the Vistani tree?

A quick glance and theres a lot of good looking stuff in there...

I'm thinking:

Vistani Knife training I-V
Rapid Attack
Bleeding Cuts
Double Daggers (should get 100% offhand with gTWF)
Deadly Blades
Haste Boost
Celerity
Vendetta

Although, I am sorry they went with "Knife Expertise" instead of "Plays with Knives"  Cool
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 10:58am
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I'll get back to you on that. That list appears solid though it's probably worth it to take some of the defensive stuff instead of being an all out glass cannon. Probably run in water stance in the hardest content instead of wind for that reason too.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm
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Are you starting with Ranger or Rogue?  Your progression looks like you're taking ranger at level 3.  If you start with Rogue, you won't be able to take Precision at level 1 as it requires +1 BaB.  Also, I don’t believe you will meet the BaB requirements for GTWF at level 15.  Lastly, I thought the whole reason for the Ranger level was to invest into Tempest for the Improved Defense enhancement, is that still true?
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 9:10pm
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QuantumFX wrote on Nov 15th, 2017 at 8:43pm:
Are you starting with Ranger or Rogue?  Your progression looks like you're taking ranger at level 3.  If you start with Rogue, you won't be able to take Precision at level 1 as it requires +1 BaB.  Also, I don’t believe you will meet the BaB requirements for GTWF at level 15.  Lastly, I thought the whole reason for the Ranger level was to invest into Tempest for the Improved Defense enhancement, is that still true?

He took TWF at lvl 1.

Monk Lvl 2, where he took precision (0.75 + 0.75 bab, rounded down is +1)

By lvl 15, (0.75 x 14 bab=10.5 bab) + 1 (Rgr) should make +11 bab requirement for gTWF.

The ranger lvl is because it comes automatically as the first level for Aasimar Scourge iconic. The fact you can salvage anything from Ranger enhancements is a bonus.

Also, I read this whole post as "What to do with your new, useless, Aasimar Scourge iconic if you just GOTTA have ALL the PLs."  Grin

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Re: Vistani Assassin
Reply #5 - Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:54am
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Thanks for the look over. I left AP open for the 4 in tempest, I just forgot to type it in, lol. Fixed now.

Also, yes it was supposed to be ranger @ 1, I mixed that up. It does make more sense to do Precision at level 1 (only matters if not iconic) and TWF @ 2 since Tempest gives you TWF temporarily.

And yeah, Metal Beast and I brain-farted p&p bab. It'll go at 18 instead.
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2017 at 12:15pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 10:54am:
Thanks for the look over. I left AP open for the 4 in tempest, I just forgot to type it in, lol. Fixed now.

Also, yes it was supposed to be ranger @ 1, I mixed that up. It does make more sense to do Precision at level 1 (only matters if not iconic) and TWF @ 2 since Tempest gives you TWF temporarily.

And yeah, Metal Beast and I brain-farted p&p bab. It'll go at 18 instead.

I got butthurt about this then I checked the wiki... ugh.

From the DDO Wiki:

"The BAB progression for players is based on their class (for creatures, on their HD), and follows one of the three following progressions:

    +1 BAB per level, the best BAB progression, is reserved for the warrior classes (Barbarian, Fighter, Paladin, and Ranger).
    +.75 BAB per level, the second best BAB progression, is used by the Artificer, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Favored Soul, Monk, Rogue and Warlock.
    +.5 BAB per level, the worst BAB progression, is used by the Sorcerer and the Wizard. Epic levels also use this progression.

Fractions are dropped (rounded down). To calculate BAB of a multiclass character, first round down the BAB for each class, then add numbers together.

For example, a level 3 character with one level of rogue, one level of bard, and one level of sorcerer has a BAB of 0 (floor(0.5) + floor(0.75) + floor(0.75)). A level 9 character with 1 rogue and 8 barbarian levels has a BAB of 8 (8 + floor(0.75))."

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Precision is better @ LVl 1 for sure, if Ranger is auto-granting TWF. Good catch.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:37am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Nov 12th, 2017 at 1:11pm:
Stats: (36 pt build)

Strength............8
Dexterity...........18 (+ level ups)
Constitution.......16
Intelligence........12
Wisdom.............16
Charisma...........8


Why wis 16? saves? btw XD i will test this bluid
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 8th, 2017 at 10:30am
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Sonilasfx wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 10:37am:
Why wis 16


There is Will and AC, but mainly Ki.

Your base maximum ki is equal to ten times your Monk level + 40 + 5 times your Wisdom modifier.

I would prefer to put them in int for KtA, but there aren't enough AP for it. Rather, you could get 2/3 in it, but it's not worth it. Giving up Improved Defense (arrow deflection) from tempest, SA from DWS, and heal amp/spellpower from Shintao. Plus you'd need to twist Enlightenment to compensate your ki pool and so lose 1.5W from DoF.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 7:02pm
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Just noticed something:  The doublestrike from Rapid Attack (Vistani) and Killer (Assassin) will not stack.  This is the same issue that Thief-Acrobats have with Quick Strike and Killer.  IMO, Rapid Attack is an easier enhancement to deal with for buff uptime.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm
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Metal-Beast wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Precision is better @ LVl 1 for sure, if Ranger is auto-granting TWF. Good catch.


IIRC TWF is an auto-grant for 2nd Ranger level. Something to check.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2018 at 10:21pm
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Synchrono wrote on Feb 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
IIRC TWF is an auto-grant for 2nd Ranger level. Something to check.

1 enhancement point in Tempest at level 1 grants TWF until character level 2.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 7th, 2018 at 9:39am
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Could someone list out the visanti enhancements to take?


  

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Reply #13 - Mar 7th, 2018 at 10:17am
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Vistani: 42 AP

Cores 6/6
Knife Training 5/5 (10 pts)
Mist Stalker 5/5 (10 pts)
Rapid Slash (2 pts)
Undead Hunter
Bleeding Cuts (2 pts)
Haste Boost 3/3
Deadly Blades (2 pts)
Celerity
Double Daggers (2 pts)
Blessed Blades (2 pts)
Vendetta (2 pts)
  

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Reply #14 - Mar 7th, 2018 at 6:29pm
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Yeah, something doesn't add up. I'm counting 92 enhancement points.
  

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Reply #15 - Mar 7th, 2018 at 7:22pm
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Bacon wrote on Mar 7th, 2018 at 6:29pm:
Yeah, something doesn't add up. I'm counting 92 enhancement points.


12 racials from Racial PLs
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:17am
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 7th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
12 racials from Racial PLs


and the racial AP tome.
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 1:27am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:17am:
and the racial AP tome.


where does that come from
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:15am
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 1:27am:
where does that come from


I got mine from xpac, there may be another way to acquire.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:25am
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Teth wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:15am:
I got mine from xpac, there may be another way to acquire.


I think that is the only way to get it (it is how I got mine anyhow). It will probably drop in the store soon though since the XPAC is released now.
  

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Reply #20 - Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:04pm
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I believe you mean vistani rogue. Its not an assassin if it can't assassinate.
  
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Teth wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 7:15am:
I got mine from xpac, there may be another way to acquire.


hopefully will get to the store, I bought the middle one
  
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acidpickachu wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:04pm:
I believe you mean vistani rogue. Its not an assassin if it can't assassinate.


Pretty sure you don't even need rogue levels to get paid for killing something.
  

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acidpickachu wrote on Mar 10th, 2018 at 12:04pm:
I believe you mean vistani rogue. Its not an assassin if it can't assassinate.

20monk is a better assassin
  

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Reply #24 - Mar 13th, 2018 at 11:57am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:07am:
Pretty sure you don't even need rogue levels to get paid for killing something.


Ah. I was mistaken on assassinate, since you could take it with tier 5 and not capstone. My bad.

@Rubbins. With the new monk changes assassin will be a lot deadlier in end game than monk if played correctly. Right now all pure 20 monk has on assassin is dps. Which is about to be slashed heavily. Monk will probably pull ahead in straight up DPS still, and will most likely be best for bosses, but for trash clearing I’d still go rogue.
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