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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Interesting read: Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:49am	Print Post
	https://www.theringer.com/features/2017/12/2/16725196/reddit-fighting-microtrans...


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #1 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 9:45am	Print Post
	Holy shit @ 683k downvotes for EA's comments. TLDR: 1. The gaming industry has moved to a subscription (microtransaction) model. It's no different than other industries. Look at Microsoft who now sells 1 year subscriptions to Office. 2. Communities have power when the vendor listens.


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Metal-Beast Abbot Raider Offline \m/ Posts: 767 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Re: Interesting read: Reply #2 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:18am	Print Post
	I found this fascinating: "Although the industry�s self-regulating Entertainment Software Rating Board requires companies to disclose the presence of �digital purchases� in games, it doesn�t consider loot boxes to be a form of gambling because the loot-box buyer is guaranteed to receive something inside (even if it�s something no one wants). Nor are companies in the United States required to reveal details about the underlying odds that dictate loot drops, although they are obligated to do so in China as a result of rules put in place by the Ministry of Culture that went into effect this past spring." So China is ahead on this. Likely because if there's a way to swindle a bitch, the Chinese will find it and do it to 20,000,000 people before dawn the next morning.�

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Mokune Shroud Slacker Offline Gimped Hairless Ape Posts: 1115 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: Interesting read: Reply #3 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:22am	Print Post
	I found it particularly interesting that loot drop rate disclosure was a rule created by the Ministry of Culture in China. Is "rule" interchangeable with "law" in China?

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Metal-Beast Abbot Raider Offline \m/ Posts: 767 Joined: Apr 13^th, 2014	Re: Interesting read: Reply #4 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:38am	Print Post
	Mokune wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:22am: I found it particularly interesting that loot drop rate disclosure was a rule created by the Ministry of Culture in China. Is "rule" interchangeable with "law" in China? Everything in China is an arm of the Party and omnipotent Politburo... If they say it, it's the Word of God. And Thy Will Be Done, lest ye invoke the displeasure of the party.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #5 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Mokune wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:22am: I found it particularly interesting that loot drop rate disclosure was a rule created by the Ministry of Culture in China. Is "rule" interchangeable with "law" in China? I think their ministry of Culture (which are basically synonymous with our cabinet level offices: Department of Justice, Department of Commerce, etc) are all also under the executive branch but have wider leeway than the U.S. gives the executive branch to create executive orders on their own without actual legislation.


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Snu Snu Shroud Slacker Offline Drama is boring Posts: 1023 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2012	Re: Interesting read: Reply #6 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:40am	Print Post
	End-quote is the best: "'That�s what I like to do in my spare time, is just take down multibillion-dollar corporations,' he says, his laugh not quite hiding a hint of pride." (Rust)

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Interesting read: Reply #7 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 1:04pm	Print Post
	If its law in china someone from over there needs to get in touch with Sinking Ship Games and demand the drop-rate for eSos

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #8 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 1:04pm: If its law in china someone from over there needs to get in touch with Sinking Ship Games and demand the drop-rate for eSos I think this particular law would only apply to things like the collectibles crates. Where you buy something for ddo points and get a randomized set of rewards. The drop rate for eSoS wouldn't be relevant because that is not something you can purchase. If they made an epic shards crate that you could buy for 495 ddo points that contained a random shard (which could be the esos shard, among other things) then they would need to disclose the probabilities.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #9 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 3:49pm: The drop rate for eSoS wouldn't be relevant because that is not something you can purchase. Quote: Requires access to adventure pack: Vault of Night

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #10 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 4:02pm: If you are that stupid it�s not worth trying to explain it to you. Hopefully you just a troll.


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 377 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Interesting read: Reply #11 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	Pretty sure rerolls would count as gambling in China


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #12 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:50pm: If you are that stupid it�s not worth trying to explain it to you. Don't worry, an explanation is not something you can purchase.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #13 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Don't worry, an explanation is not something you can purchase. Actually, you can purchase explanations.� Information can be bought. However, sadly for you, common sense is not something you can purchase. EDIT: I wrote this while having a particularly rough day at work (and a sck kid home from school). Not your fault, Revaulting, yet I snapped at you on the internet. I apologize. I could just delete it, but decided to leave it and issue an apology for being an internet jackass.
	« Last Edit: Dec 5^th, 2017 at 5:49pm by Asheras »

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #14 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	WTT explanations for slaver mats.

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Skrilla Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1362 Joined: Dec 12^th, 2013	Re: Interesting read: Reply #15 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 4:20pm	Print Post
	Im done rerolling.. that shit is rigged...


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Interesting read: Reply #16 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	Revaulting wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Don't worry, an explanation is not something you can purchase. i want my 20 dollars back

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8854 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Interesting read: Reply #17 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	DDO's collectibles crates were actually ok. I opened up a lot of them(about 40) and got a reasonable assortment of items. Even better was the rare collectibles thing that just straight up let you pick, no randomass punkness to it. I would never play a game with loot boxes. Fuck that shit so hard.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9959 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #18 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:11am	Print Post
	There's micro transactions and micro transactions... ( and loot boxes and loot boxes ) reddit and The Net is just on rampage over the Battlefront thing where EA behaved... well like EA. ( basically as a money grabber compan with no morals as long as it gets money to feed the bottom line ) Honestly the DDO view on things is not that bad. You can play the game without any micro transaction, there's no real pay to win ( you'll get there eventually even not paying. ) The boxes ( or bags or whatever ) we get from the Store are fixed in their content so we all know before hand what we will get. As a reminder : the Battlefront shenanigan that started it all, as I understood it is : you have to pay for boxes of random loot that contains some stuff that is high end gear that cannot be found elsewhere in the game. Said high end gear being way more powerful than anything that can be found in game.

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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #19 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:53am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:11am: As a reminder : the Battlefront shenanigan that started it all, as I understood it is : you have to pay for boxes of random loot that contains some stuff that is high end gear that cannot be found elsewhere in the game. Said high end gear being way more powerful than anything that can be found in game. Not just that though. Most other games with loot boxes, are purely cosmetic in nature. Stormfronts on the other hand, offered things used to upgrade your gear, which for a normal, non-spending player, would take an average of 8 in-game hours played, to upgrade a single item, once. A fat ass, no life, with mommies credit card, could instead buy loot boxes, to obtain already upgraded, beyond what was currently even available to non-spenders, items. That was the primary issue going into this. That, and the fact that you had to buy the game first, and then if you wished to have any chance towards competitiveness, drop even more money on loot boxes, as if buying the game wasnt enough already. Now, had they released the game F2P, with the Loot Crates, there would have been bitching, but not nearly on the scale that it is currently.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Interesting read: Reply #20 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 2:02am	Print Post
	looks like the US is trying. Belgium too http://www.pcgamer.com/us-lawmaker-who-called-out-star-wars-battlefront-2-lays-o... http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-loot-boxes-are-gambling-wants-them-banned-in...
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #21 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:10am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 3:38pm: EDIT:� I wrote this while having a particularly rough day at work (and a sck kid home from school).� Not your fault, Revaulting, yet I snapped at you on the internet.� I apologize.� I could just delete it, but decided to leave it and issue an apology for being an internet jackass. Kudos. That's not an easy thing to do, I respect that you did it.

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #22 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 8:32am	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 3:49pm: I think this particular law would only apply to things like the collectibles crates.� Where you buy something for ddo points and get a randomized set of rewards.� The drop rate for eSoS wouldn't be relevant because that is not something you can purchase.� If they made an epic shards crate that you could buy for 495 ddo points that contained a random shard (which could be the esos shard, among other things) then they would need to disclose the probabilities. Hey, you buy Astral Shards for real world currency, and you spend astral shards to re-roll a chest, so there is a direct real money to drop rate chain and you can precisely calculate the cost of each attempt. It doesn't apply to things that only drop in treasure bags or a percent drop on an enemy kill since you can't directly buy kills, but anything in a chest with a "re-roll" button has a specific cost. Thoughts?

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Interesting read: Reply #23 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 3:38pm: EDIT:� I wrote this while having a particularly rough day at work (and a sck kid home from school).� Not your fault, Revaulting, yet I snapped at you on the internet.� I apologize.� I could just delete it, but decided to leave it and issue an apology for being an internet jackass.� Jokes aside, props to you for owning that.
	« Last Edit: Dec 6^th, 2017 at 1:34pm by Digimonk »

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Interesting read: Reply #24 - Dec 6^th, 2017 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 3:38pm: EDIT:� I wrote this while having a particularly rough day at work (and a sck kid home from school).� Not your fault, Revaulting, yet I snapped at you on the internet.� I apologize.� I could just delete it, but decided to leave it and issue an apology for being an internet jackass. Fucking hell, if you can't assjack on The Vault, what is the internet even good for? Asheras wrote on Dec 5^th, 2017 at 3:38pm: However, sadly for you, common sense is not something you can purchase. Still true. I've been trying to use DDO Points.

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