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Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:05pm
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Apparently +8 tomes are going to be a thing.

Ability Stat Tomes have new Minimum Levels in which they apply:
Level 1: Up to +2
Level 3: +3
Level 7: +4
Level 11: +5
Level 15: +6
Level 19: +7
Level 22: +8 (the +7 to +8 Upgrade Tome is currently available as a reward in the new Ravenloft raids.)
NOTE: The benefit is not applied until a character first logs into the game world, so the stat benefit is not available during initial character creation or reincarnation, but will apply when the character first logs into the world.
  

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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:09pm
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I can barely remember when tomes apply now, wtf are they changing them?
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:34pm
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see they left some room there

+9 at level 26

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Reply #3 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:50pm
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Reply #4 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 6:24pm
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Of course.  Even buying the points during double points sales at the best value and the tomes on sale it would cost around $26 for a supreme tome for every character.

The whales have already bought all their tomes, so time to change the rules so we can go another round of milking.
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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 6:36pm
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As far as power creep goes, like another +1 even matters at endgame when you can have 100+ in a main stat.

OTOH, lowering the ML floor makes assigning points for prereqs completely different (for the better.) But you have to reincarnate to optimize. The builders rejoice and shake their fists at the same time.
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 8:51pm
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Ive ranted on this before.. I play way way too fucking much.. i played on capped toons for years. And Ive never seen a +7 drop for anyone ever.. And ive only seen +6s drop a small handful of times.

Even while doing the last 36 racial lives ive only had like 4 tomes drop. Think they were all +2s or +3s.

I used to get tomes to drop a few times a life.. same with major pots.. used to get like 10 or more a life.. now... A tome every 10 lives or so and a major pot every 3 lives or so.

But the main point im getting at is.. Ill never get a 7 or 8. I was doing ee slavers and only gotten a +5.. so... Tomes are pretty much a paid for item only..  so ill have to buy +7s and 8s? Or spend hella on straight +8s? That shit is like $50 a character or more.. greedy as fuck..
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:18pm
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Or just learn to play without.  +5 which goes on sale regularly enough that everyone should have one by now is more than enough for all the content in the game.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 6:47am
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IDk bout you, but Ima need +10, fam.
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:40am
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Durk wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
I can barely remember when tomes apply now, wtf are they changing them?


They are talking about the Level 1 ML for +2 tomes.  In the past, you had to be level 3 for a +1 tome.  But, since you can now have +2 at level 1, some players might think that those +2 would be available during character creation/reincarnation so that you could use them for feat requirements on the creation screen.  The note is just telling you that the +2 at level 1 doesn't take effect until you actually enter the game world.

EDIT:  This does have an interesting impact on feat requirements.  Something like IPS, for example.  Or TWF feats on Strength melees.
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Reply #10 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:43am
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If you follow the progression, you can do +8 at 22, +9 at 25, +10 at 28 down the road.  Smiley
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 11:47am
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I’d be more excited about +8/+9/+10 tomes if tomes actually dropped at level and on a regular basis.  But this is the red headed step child of Turbine, so the only way people will see these things is in the DDO store.
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 1:31pm
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Yeah, better for feats that require base stat level, and more skill points for any toon that has an Int tome or supreme tome.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 4:48pm
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Asheras wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:43am:
+10 at 28 down the road.  Smiley



I cannot IMAGINE this happening*!




*Until they've first milked the revenue from +8 singles, +8 supremes, +8 to +9 upgrades,
+9 singles, and +9 supremes.
  


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Reply #14 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 4:53pm
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The drop rate is probably set high right now and as soon someone posts a screenshot on the Tardforums, they will soft switch nerf the drop rate to 0. It seems like they so have a soft switch in place given how the rate is nerfed without downtime.
  
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The drop rate is probably set high right now and as soon someone posts a screenshot on the Tardforums, they will soft switch nerf the drop rate to 0. It seems like they do have a soft switch in place given how the rate is nerfed without downtime.
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 7:06pm
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Ya less dex for ips will be nice... but ya those tome drop tho... lol
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 8:04pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 4:48pm:
I cannot IMAGINE this happening*!




*Until they've first milked the revenue from +8 singles, +8 supremes, +8 to +9 upgrades,
+9 singles, and +9 supremes.


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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 12:47am
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Asheras wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 9:40am:
They are talking about the Level 1 ML for +2 tomes.  In the past, you had to be level 3 for a +1 tome.  But, since you can now have +2 at level 1, some players might think that those +2 would be available during character creation/reincarnation so that you could use them for feat requirements on the creation screen.  The note is just telling you that the +2 at level 1 doesn't take effect until you actually enter the game world.

EDIT:  This does have an interesting impact on feat requirements.  Something like IPS, for example.  Or TWF feats on Strength melees.


It only applies at level 1 for the sake of feats if you lesser reincarnate or talk to Fred it seems per Coco's confirmation.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:20am
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I wonder how bad they will fuck this up?

I'm going to put my $5 on: Full tome bonus starts at level 1 and DECREASES as you level up.

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Reply #20 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:36am
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somenewnoob wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 9:20am:
I wonder how bad they will fuck this up?

I'm going to put my $5 on: Full tome bonus starts at level 1 and DECREASES as you level up.

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This, + Completionist as 1st Feat and you're probably qualified to do/take just about anything.....  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Dec 20th, 2017 at 4:48pm:
I cannot IMAGINE this happening*!




*Until they've first milked the revenue from +8 singles, +8 supremes, +8 to +9 upgrades,
+9 singles, and +9 supremes.


You're absolutely right, but that means that they at least plan to be around for a few more years.
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 2:20pm
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Starkjade wrote on Dec 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
You're absolutely right, but that means that they at least plan to be around for a few more years.




I applaud that positive thinking.
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Reply #24 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 3:13pm
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