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Reply #225 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 9:18pm
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Ah Pook wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 8:36pm:
It's been around since U22 when they redid 3BC and added that saga.


If we're assuming that the bans were based primarily off of their "new technology to track exploitative behavior" or whatever it was I doubt anything that took place before Q4 2017 is relevant.
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Reply #226 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 10:36pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 2:12pm:
nigga pls. all the guys i know that cheat are better than you. they spend money, too. i rather have them than guys like you in a community any fucking day.


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Reply #227 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 10:45pm
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Sergod wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 6:44pm:
Why would people spend 1000s of dollars on boxes instead of using sagas? That doesnt make sense.


Maybe because it doesn't get you banned, and is less effort?
  
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Reply #228 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 10:50pm
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Asheras wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 2:30pm:
My point is that if you really want to get rid of exploiting, come down extra hard on anyone who exploits at the beginning.  And keep doing it and let the reputation spread.  Those initial exploiters who get caught will either keep doing it and suffering the consequences repeatedly, stop doing it (because there is little value in doing so) or they will leave for a game that is more lenient on exploiters (if their fun is more in trying to find the holes and game the system than actually play the game).   In any case the number of exploiters will stay small.  You won't get the wide spread impact/ripple effects you have in the current environment.


You think if they squeezed harder they game would be better now? You mean Maintenance Mode?
Because their design goals and quality control isn't gonna magically become better.
You do realize that exploits are only possible because of how poor their programming is.
The only thing you suggestion would achieve is a dead game by now, which would probably be the best thing for DDO.
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Reply #229 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 11:07pm
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ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 3:06pm:
They can make the game fun again this way less people will try to exploit.

You are suck a bitch fanboy, just STFU.


"the game isn't fun" or "the grind is so huge I have no choice" is just rationalizations people use to justify their choices.   People exploit because exploiting is fun to them.  And the reward outweighs the risk.

  
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Reply #230 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 3:36am
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Darbydo down!!

Your Dungeons & Dragons Online account has been suspended as a result of a  confirmed Player Code of Conduct violation.

This suspension is for 7 days .

Specifically, a Game Master determined that you used profanity in chat within the game world.

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Reply #231 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 4:19am
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Darcat wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 3:36am:
Specifically, a Game Master determined that you used profanity in chat within the game world.

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Ah, fuck.
  
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Reply #232 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 5:48am
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Hiding wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 8:49pm:
And you'll be half-elf bards.

Good luck!


Waaaaaay back when I wasn't too bright I played a half-elf bard.  It was horrible.  I got to 20 but it was the most horrible slog ever.  Worse than the halfling barbie who couldn't trip a kobold.
  
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Reply #233 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 5:52am
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Pseudonym wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 9:18pm:
If we're assuming that the bans were based primarily off of their "new technology to track exploitative behavior" or whatever it was I doubt anything that took place before Q4 2017 is relevant.


This exploit, like so many others, was known to Turbine/SSG for quite a while.  They generally let them ride until they get into the wild and then they act.

I don't think it took any special tools to figure this one out.  It was on this board for a few days and we know SSG is lurking.  Its also not that hard to figure out who was doing it; snitches are snitches and it's not too hard to find the guy in 3BC jumping up and down and running from the saga guy to the tavern repeatedly.
  
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Reply #234 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 6:26am
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raybob wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 5:52am:
This exploit, like so many others, was known to Turbine/SSG for quite a while.  They generally let them ride until they get into the wild and then they act.

I don't think it took any special tools to figure this one out.  It was on this board for a few days and we know SSG is lurking.  Its also not that hard to figure out who was doing it; snitches are snitches and it's not too hard to find the guy in 3BC jumping up and down and running from the saga guy to the tavern repeatedly.

This, the banned people are stupid then they whine about turdbin banning them. lol
  

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Reply #235 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 7:51am
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ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 6:26am:
This, the banned people are stupid then they whine about turdbin banning them. lol


If they ban me I will have no regrets. I think they have handled this extremely poorly though.
  
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Reply #236 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 8:36am
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Digimonk wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Rollback vs removing all the sploited PLs.  Mostly the same result in the end, although I guess rollbacks would nuke any gear gained in the interim, too.

Honestly though, it's all just conjecture and bs guessing at this point.  Nobody except SSG knows what will be done yet and I'd be somewhat surprised if they actually know exactly what they're going to do at this point.  If they stick true to form, I expect they'll figure it out about 4-5 days from now.

Removing PLs or rolling sukas back is something like work and we all know how allergic SSG is to that sort of nonsense.


They made it clear a long time ago that rollbacks were global and they won't do it. The last exploit that was so widespread and required action they logged in and vaporized peoples inventories. You could actually see them logged in and it adjusted it in the guild tab while they were banned.

I expect this to be a very manual process.
  
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Reply #237 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:10am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Mar 1st, 2018 at 10:50pm:
You think if they squeezed harder they game would be better now? You mean Maintenance Mode?
Because their design goals and quality control isn't gonna magically become better.
You do realize that exploits are only possible because of how poor their programming is.
The only thing you suggestion would achieve is a dead game by now, which would probably be the best thing for DDO.


I disagree.   I think 10% of exploiters are players who are basically game hackers.  Hackers hack because of the challenge of the hack.  They climb the mountain because it is there.  They are probably looking for exploits in multiple games at a time.  And any game they play, they look for exploits.  The fun for them is finding the unintended consequences in the code and figuring out how to maximize them. 

This is the segment that will exploit/hack no matter what the consequences.  Because the benefit/reward is in finding the exploit.  Not in actually gaining benefit from it.  (Besides the validation and epeen that comes from sharing it).  This is the segment that you can only eliminate with better programming, version control, etc.

The other 90% of exploiters are just regular players who are guildies and friends or friends of firends (on down the line) of the innovative exploiters.   This segment you could absolutely diminish with a zero tolerance policy.   A 7 day ban with no lost benefit from from the exploit isn't enough to change behavior.   Half and quarter measures don't work.

Look, I don't care if people want to exploit.  It's a PvE game.   Your number of past lives don't affect mine at all.  My only two points in the whole thing are:

1)  If you exploit, you do so knowing the risks.  If you get caught, own it.  Don't pretend to be a victim of the big bad SSG.  You knew the rules and the risks.  You made a decision.  Live with it. 

2)  If SSG really wants to get rid of exploiters, then they need to do it the Chicago Way.   That's how you get Capone. 





  
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Reply #238 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:25am
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Asheras wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:10am:
Gay fanboy talk

If they want to eliminate the cheaters, they need to learn how to do their job.

Bad coding is the reason we have exploits.

Serious question now: Can you talk with Sev´s dick in your mouth?
  

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Reply #239 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:32am
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raybob wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 5:48am:
Waaaaaay back when I wasn't too bright I played a half-elf bard.  It was horrible.  I got to 20 but it was the most horrible slog ever.  Worse than the halfling barbie who couldn't trip a kobold.


That's omg awesome, hahaha! Nicely done.

I have to admit, this other game I played was a griefing game and I was a diplomat for one of the strongest guilds on the server - boring as fuck game though - but now I LOVE crymail!  Just love it.

I forgot how awesome the DDO forum was for it, kinda happy I tuned in.
  
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Reply #240 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:18am
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ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:25am:
If they want to eliminate the cheaters, they need to learn how to do their job.


Correct.  As it relates to wiping out any benefit of exploiting when an exploiter is caught and deleting characters, gear, or issuing perma-bans.

ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:25am:
Bad coding is the reason we have exploits.


Wrong. 

Bugs aren't bad coding.   There are two kinds of programmers:  The kind that know their code has bugs and plan for handling it and the kind that don't know their code has bugs and are shocked and caught off guard and let it become worse than it needs to be.  (There is no 3rd kind of programmer that creates bug free code.  Any programmer who says otherwise is a liar or a fool.  Or both. )

You can't eliminate all bugs.   Zero defect coding is a goal, but one that any developer understands is an aspiration to ensure continuing focus and improvement.  Not an actually attainable event.

Since bugs will occur (fact) you need a behavior management policy in place to alter the risk/reward decision making.  To act as a deterrent.   

All this hypothetical, utopian "game without bugs" talk fits in the same part of fantasy land as a world without poverty or crime.  Let me know when you are going rejoin the real world to discuss an actual solution that is feasible.    
  
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Reply #241 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:40am
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Asheras wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:18am:
Wrong. 

Bugs aren't bad coding.   There are two kinds of programmers:  The kind that know their code has bugs and plan for handling it and the kind that don't know their code has bugs and are shocked and caught off guard and let it become worse than it needs to be.  (There is no 3rd kind of programmer that creates bug free code.  Any programmer who says otherwise is a liar or a fool.  Or both. )

You can't eliminate all bugs.   Zero defect coding is a goal, but one that any developer understands is an aspiration to ensure continuing focus and improvement.  Not an actually attainable event.

Since bugs will occur (fact) you need a behavior management policy in place to alter the risk/reward decision making.  To act as a deterrent.   

All this hypothetical, utopian "game without bugs" talk fits in the same part of fantasy land as a world without poverty or crime.  Let me know when you are going rejoin the real world to discuss an actual solution that is feasible.    

Bugs are bad coding when you let the same one goes live in every update.


What about that dick in your mouth?
  

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Reply #242 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 11:38am
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ILoveExploits wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 10:40am:
What about that dick in your mouth?


Not interested.  I'm straight.   

You will have to solicit for online sexting partners elsewhere.  Not that I'm judging.  There seem to be several other posters here also into game developer sex fantasies.  I'm sure you will find someone who shares your interests and you can have very fulfilling discussions.  Best of luck.
  
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Reply #243 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 1:29pm
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Come on, if you can suck turdbin tards dicks you can suck mine too.
  

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Reply #244 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:22pm
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Say goodbye to your friend exploiter while you can.

The banhammer is going down with extreme prejudice.
  

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Reply #245 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:32pm
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5 toons till now including mine already deleted...
Bye bye ddo after 10 years,i was nt a rich customer but every year i was soend close to 200$ and they deleted my toon because i was on 3b ,i dont even want to send them email,i will just quit
  
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Reply #246 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:48pm
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This is perhaps the single most exciting moment in DDO history. I'm loving every second of it.
  

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erieli wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:32pm:
5 toons till now including mine already deleted...
Bye bye ddo after 10 years,i was nt a rich customer but every year i was soend close to 200$ and they deleted my toon because i was on 3b ,i dont even want to send them email,i will just quit


  

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Reply #248 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 3:04pm
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Epoch wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:48pm:
This is perhaps the single most exciting moment in DDO history. I'm loving every second of it.

Lol. Me too!
  

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Reply #249 - Mar 2nd, 2018 at 3:16pm
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erieli wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 2:32pm:
5 toons till now including mine already deleted...
Bye bye ddo after 10 years,i was nt a rich customer but every year i was soend close to 200$ and they deleted my toon because i was on 3b ,i dont even want to send them email,i will just quit



I'm sure you were 100% innocent.
  
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