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Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Jan 1st, 2019 at 3:55pm
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I asked because I hopped into a free spot on a R9 Train for about 6 hours yesterday and not only were the other players all Spaniards but they were all playing Dwarves with only small variations on Ft/Wiz/Arty levs  and just destroying everything before I could post-up and start neep-neep'ing mobs.

I tried to find out what they were running but no luck, I'm not sure if it was the language barrier or the clever use of a perceived language barrier to stonewall my questions. I can say it was breathtaking to play with, I haven't seen that kind of facerolling since pre-reaper days.

Anyone know what the build is? I've looked at the builds here and I'm not seeing anything like that, each of them had stacks of past lives according to server manifest but that can be pretty inaccurate.

If you know what it is but it's a non-public privileged build please message me, I've got a new life coming up on my main and I'm just curious after seeing it in action.
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 2019 at 9:24pm
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weapons used? abilities used? class breakdown?
  
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 8:10am
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My guess is a build built around Legendary Stormreach Guardian's Axe and the set bonus possibly EK for the 1s no save knockdown which works on nearly everything.
  
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
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They were all using weapon/shield or double, for sure no two handed weapon users. I'm sorry that's a bit vague but they were all rocking various skin jobs on weapons and armor. Still fairly sure a couple were using axes.
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You can click on the person and see which buffs they have up. Sometimes, that enough to figure stuff out.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 12:39am
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What EDs were they using? How many levels of wiz? Do you see Eldritch Tempest animation a lot?
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 12:25pm
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Also curious to get a PM if you are in the know
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 6:29pm
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any group of 5 vets playing any classes will destroy content (provided they're not all casters without red named dps), it doesn't mean the build is min-max. Specially if they are friends who play togheter a lot they know how their group works
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #9 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 11:28am
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Justanotherlurker wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 8:10am:
My guess is a build built around Legendary Stormreach Guardian's Axe and the set bonus possibly EK for the 1s no save knockdown which works on nearly everything.


My guess as well. The axes.
  


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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #10 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 12:32pm
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Justanotherlurker wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 8:10am:
My guess is a build built around Legendary Stormreach Guardian's Axe and the set bonus possibly EK for the 1s no save knockdown which works on nearly everything.

Yeah, Dwarven Arti15/Ftr4/Wiz1 with the Renegade Champion set bonus makes a lot of sense.

I'd SWF with it as SWF works with a Runearm.

I'll bet they had a TON of HP, too.
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #11 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 6:47pm
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Technomage wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Yeah, Dwarven Arti15/Ftr4/Wiz1 with the Renegade Champion set bonus makes a lot of sense.

I'd SWF with it as SWF works with a Runearm.

I'll bet they had a TON of HP, too.


Why not 12 Arti/4 Ftr/4 wiz ? Renegade MM

Renegade MM- 32AP Tier 5 for Racial HP etc
EK- 24AP Goodies + Int to hit
Stalwart Defender- 23 AP Prr/saves Comp bonus to HP, extra con etc

Can cast insightful damage, Tensers

Lose Deadly Weapons

Must Feats- fill in other necessary ones
Swf line
Insightful Reflexes
Construct Essence
Improved construct Essence
Improved critical Slashing

With EK you get full BAB, prr, int to hit

With this build you can go any race if you have +1 lesser and tweak it with Aasimar if you have the racial AP to support it.

Thoughts? What am I missing? Considering doing this, but I haven’t played a lot lately so I’m not as ingame informed as much as others.

  
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #12 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 8:39pm
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Doodle wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 6:47pm:
Why not 12 Arti/4 Ftr/4 wiz ? Renegade MM

Renegade MM- 32AP Tier 5 for Racial HP etc
EK- 24AP Goodies + Int to hit
Stalwart Defender- 23 AP Prr/saves Comp bonus to HP, extra con etc

Can cast insightful damage, Tensers

Lose Deadly Weapons

Must Feats- fill in other necessary ones
Swf line
Insightful Reflexes
Construct Essence
Improved construct Essence
Improved critical Slashing

With EK you get full BAB, prr, int to hit

With this build you can go any race if you have +1 lesser and tweak it with Aasimar if you have the racial AP to support it.

Thoughts? What am I missing? Considering doing this, but I haven’t played a lot lately so I’m not as ingame informed as much as others.



Lose insightful reflexes duh, not an evasion build.
  
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #13 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 12:07pm
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Doodle wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 6:47pm:
Why not 12 Arti/4 Ftr/4 wiz ? Renegade MM


I'm looking this split over.

I assume Wiz levels because of the re-worked Eldritch Knight tree. Tell me, what is so compelling about the first 2 cores and first four tiers that would make you go that deeply into it?

Tier 3 has the +INT to hit so that's nice but nothing in Tier 4 is jumping out at me. Is Knight's Transformation really that good?

Maybe a 13 Arti/Ftr 4/Wiz 3 split makes more sense?
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #14 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 2:54pm
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Facerolling R9 with 5 tank builds? Somehow i dont get it.
And the vague information OP is providing is fishy.

Maybe T5 in EK for those fury cleaves? But they are on a too long of a cooldownd to be that usefull
  
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Technomage wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
I'm looking this split over.

I assume Wiz levels because of the re-worked Eldritch Knight tree. Tell me, what is so compelling about the first 2 cores and first four tiers that would make you go that deeply into it?

Tier 3 has the +INT to hit so that's nice but nothing in Tier 4 is jumping out at me. Is Knight's Transformation really that good?

Maybe a 13 Arti/Ftr 4/Wiz 3 split makes more sense?


Just Tr’d currently 12 arti 3 ftr. Haven’t decided which way to go?

Why did you previously recommend 15 arti? What was your thought process. Thought I’d see how this goes. Did a racial into this. Not sure how I’m gonna proceed.
  
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
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Technomage wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
I'm looking this split over.

I assume Wiz levels because of the re-worked Eldritch Knight tree. Tell me, what is so compelling about the first 2 cores and first four tiers that would make you go that deeply into it?

Tier 3 has the +INT to hit so that's nice but nothing in Tier 4 is jumping out at me. Is Knight's Transformation really that good?

Maybe a 13 Arti/Ftr 4/Wiz 3 split makes more sense?


Thinking of even going 12 arti 3 ftr 5 wiz for extra feat, casts displacement and extra flexibility into tier 5 EK knights transformation for crit profile.

Would lose 20% racial in RMM though.
  
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Re: Is there some New Meta-Dwarf build?
Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 10:23pm
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Doodle wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
Just Tr’d currently 12 arti 3 ftr. Haven’t decided which way to go?

Why did you previously recommend 15 arti? What was your thought process. Thought I’d see how this goes. Did a racial into this. Not sure how I’m gonna proceed.

The 15/4/1 split was the in vogue build before the update to EK.

The more I look at it, it looks like the 12/4/4 split is better.

I don't like losing out on either the +6 to CON or the +20% HP from the Stalwart Defender tree so 4 Ftr levels seems pretty set.

Looking at replacing the 4 Ftr with 4 Pal, though. It will depend on how badly I need the feats vs. how much I can improve my Saves. Preliminarily, I'm thinking it won't be worth it as I'll be a Dwarf.
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Technomage wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
The 15/4/1 split was the in vogue build before the update to EK.

The more I look at it, it looks like the 12/4/4 split is better.

I don't like losing out on either the +6 to CON or the +20% HP from the Stalwart Defender tree so 4 Ftr levels seems pretty set.

Looking at replacing the 4 Ftr with 4 Pal, though. It will depend on how badly I need the feats vs. how much I can improve my Saves. Preliminarily, I'm thinking it won't be worth it as I'll be a Dwarf.


I threw a twist in and went PDK. Decided on 12/4/4. Started at 15, going to use Khopeshes until 20, then get DAxes I think. I know I’ll out on glancing blows, but crit range is better and I only have 9 racial points so there’s that. Steamrolling R2-3 solo atm.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:25pm
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Decided against the Paladin split. I needed the feats.

Going Dwarven 12Arti/4Ftr/4Wiz

SWFing with Whelm and an Orb. The orb will be Cannith Crafted with Reconstruction 159 and Insightful Reconstruction 79 on it. Not sure what I'll put in the third CC slot - probably some Insightful Elemental Resistance 28, maybe Electricity Resistance. If I add Insightful Sonic Resistance instead, I could forego putting a Sonic Resistance Topaz in an Augment Slot on another piece of gear.

With PSWF, the Vorpal Stuff on the Reflection of Whelm (including a Ruby of the Endless Night), and the MASSIVE Lightning damage from the Stormreaver's Thunderclap power on the Gauntlets of the Stormreaver, I'll be doing some pretty awesome damage, especially on rolls of 19-20.

Unfortunately, I'm 2 Schisms short of being able upgrade my Echo of Whelm to the Reflection of Whelm and about 400 Time Runes short of being able to get the Gauntlets. But, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!
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Technomage wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Yeah, Dwarven Arti15/Ftr4/Wiz1 with the Renegade Champion set bonus makes a lot of sense.

I'd SWF with it as SWF works with a Runearm.

I'll bet they had a TON of HP, too.



Yes sir, their HP had HP.

I don't get to play as often as I'd like these days, and I'm willing to admit that I was hoping to get a PM with the full build from somebody running it currently, but this thread is almost as good with Lots of good ideas posted.

Leave it to the Vault build freaks to reverse-engineer something like this cold! if nothing else the build knowledge of this board make it a must-read source for players trying to improve. Thanks.
  
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Technomage wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Decided against the Paladin split. I needed the feats.

Going Dwarven 12Arti/4Ftr/4Wiz

SWFing with Whelm and an Orb. The orb will be Cannith Crafted with Reconstruction 159 and Insightful Reconstruction 79 on it. Not sure what I'll put in the third CC slot - probably some Insightful Elemental Resistance 28, maybe Electricity Resistance. If I add Insightful Sonic Resistance instead, I could forego putting a Sonic Resistance Topaz in an Augment Slot on another piece of gear.

With PSWF, the Vorpal Stuff on the Reflection of Whelm (including a Ruby of the Endless Night), and the MASSIVE Lightning damage from the Stormreaver's Thunderclap power on the Gauntlets of the Stormreaver, I'll be doing some pretty awesome damage, especially on rolls of 19-20.

Unfortunately, I'm 2 Schisms short of being able upgrade my Echo of Whelm to the Reflection of Whelm and about 400 Time Runes short of being able to get the Gauntlets. But, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!


what is level progression?
  
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Tampawn wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 5:30am:
what is level progression?

Tentatively, it's...

1 Arti
2 Wiz
3 Ftr
4 Ftr
5 Ftr
6 Ftr
7 Wiz
8 Wiz
9 Wiz
10 Arti
11 Arti
12 Arti
13 Arti
14 Arti
15 Arti
16 Arti
17 Arti
18 Arti
19 Arti
20 Arti

I haven't actually leveled the build yet so that's why I say "tentatively."
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Technomage wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 4:13pm:
Tentatively, it's...

1 Arti
2 Wiz
3 Ftr
4 Ftr
5 Ftr
6 Ftr
7 Wiz
8 Wiz
9 Wiz
10 Arti
11 Arti
12 Arti
13 Arti
14 Arti
15 Arti
16 Arti
17 Arti
18 Arti
19 Arti
20 Arti

I haven't actually leveled the build yet so that's why I say "tentatively."


I'm still chasing it myself, I've got a long weekend coming up and I plan on TR'ing. Most of my friends are getting tired of me pestering them, and I've joined more blind reaper pugs in the last two weeks than I did all last year trying to catch the conductors of the last train.
  
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Technomage wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
With PSWF, the Vorpal Stuff on the Reflection of Whelm (including a Ruby of the Endless Night), and the MASSIVE Lightning damage from the Stormreaver's Thunderclap power on the Gauntlets of the Stormreaver, I'll be doing some pretty awesome damage, especially on rolls of 19-20.



Can anyone tell me what the actual damage is on the Thunderclap? Is it worth gearing for? Does it scale with spellpower? Inquiring minds and all that...
  
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