Not really. Not for DPS. Shuriken are just better.

A bow is probably best used for imbues. Get an AA stance, jack up the DC and banish/smite/phantasmal/paralyze everything.

While this is true*, there are a few angles that would make this more than just an inferior DPS alternative to Shuri's.

For one thing, insta death from PK arrows would add A LOT of DPS to this build if you could calculate it as such. There is no Shuri equivalent to just making a mob disappear at any health 5% of the time. Also, from a burst perspective Slayer Arrows is a lot of additional DPS on an adrenaline shot.

Finally the option to go pure Wisdom with the Wisdom KTA in the falconer tree is pretty nice combined with the DCs on the imbues.

So you can make a pretty interesting monkcher I think with a pure Elf Monk using racial AA and falconer tree. This is not my idea but I haven't found any good posted builds on it yet, would love to see what people have come up with

Technomage wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:29pm:


6 ranger is nice for Sniper Shot and T5 DWS, but at that point you're gaining a little DPS but losing some utility in the imbues.

Why would want to be Aasimar on a bow build?

As long as your DCs suffice, AA's can clear most trash on r1 just like r10. I'm running a 11wiz/8monk/1wlk with above 100 effective DC, it isn't very gear / PL heavy, and it does land PKs in lategame r10s.

harharharhar wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 8:18pm:


You dont go pure monk, you get DC and SP from other classes. Any monk lvl past 12 doesnt give anything except 5 DS in 10k stars.

Vampire form, bard enchant, warlock / fvs save reduce, kensei splash - look there.

My opinion is that you have to invest too much into falconry to get the wisdom to damage. 

AP breakdown.  You will need 24 to get paralyze along with banish and smite imbues (both add to Enchantment DC) and 31 min to get Shadow arrows.

You need to invest 41 into Deepwood if you want to take core 6 (+3 SA dice, +4 dex, always in SA range AND +20 RP and +20 positive spell power) seems like a ton of damage to pass up on for maxing wisdom on a build that already can do just fine paralyze/fear with a 62-64 wisdom and proper gear and feat selections to pump Enchant DC.

So, 31+41 =72.  Leaves 8 for falconry which is not enough as you need a minimum of 12 to get wisdom attack and damage.

You are better served with 8 points into harper for KtA.

The only way I see it is if you only go as far as core 3 in DWS (and spend no more than 27 points total in the tree) and 41 into AA for 20% DS cap and 12 into Falconry. 

While you get Wisdom to hit and damage, you are losing a ton of damage in the form of SA damage.  And, you would have to forego the T5 DWS strikes like lightning and heavy draw, etc...  just not worth it imho.

Longbows can deal good damage despite what I rant on about on the forums.  With a standing 73.94% doubleshot and 400 RP when Blitzing, Manyshot and other buffs maxed (135 base +70 blitz +120 Manyshot +75 precise shot stack = 400) which includes new filigrees and such on Chaosbow, you can deal respectable damage while being able to paralyze and (with deepwood abilities) render enemies vulnerable to SA.  Blitz is easy to maintain.  Manyshot bonus require you to use a Tensor's scroll before you hit it.  Precise shot stack is usually what varies as standing still long enough to let it build up is usually only done on raid bosses.

Kluege wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 11:07am:


*Monkchers*
*DWS cap*
No, not good points. We're talking about elven AA. pure ranger is a whole other story.

Linker wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:25pm:


I just don't see what the point is.  You get +1 to crit range in DWS cores which is the same as investing into Kensai.  Is the point is to just get wisdom to hit and damage to boost paralyze and fear arrows?  I can tell you that I have no issues paralyzing and/or fearing mobs with a 64 wisdom; and still running as a dex build.  You just need to build your enchantment focus into it. You gain more benefit with +1 of enchantment focus boosting than +1 point of wisdom.  With a dex build you have higher AC and better reflex saves.  Also, with going both AA and DWS, you will ultimately have a higher doubleshot score (+20 from each tree) or ranged power (+20 RP from core 6 DWS).  DWS also offer a lot of sneak attack damage along with a multitude of abilities that are available to you to make mobs SA vulnerable... even when running solo.  Use Scion of Ethereal and a max hide skill with that and you have a pretty nice source of extra damage and a bunch of ways to make mobs vulnerable to SA.

Additionally, if you are talking about FoTW Fury shots, you have to rely on a lot of preparation before shooting and hoping the numbers work out.  My pure ranger build does not rely on the FoTW crutch and uses LD and gets an additional +1 crit range as well as blitz (PRR bonus style); and all the other good stuff in LD.

Also not having DWS you lose some great abilities like sniper shot, fort bypass from cores, PRR from Survivalist path, Killer bonus, Leg Shot to slow (works on undead and red named) and all the T5 stuff that is pretty amazing as well.  Lots of damage potential in that tree that you completely eliminate for FoTW fury shot...  which is great when it hits for max damage and you still have charges and not waiting for adrenaline to come off cooldown....

I can agree with a higher wisdom if I were seeing some sort of issue with paralyze/fear hitting, but even in reaper I do not have any noticeable issues.

10K stars is a great boost to doubleshot and it is available 50% more often than manyshot, but manyshot boosts both doubleshot and ranged power.  So say your wisdom is a modest 80 and ranged power is 100 standing.  You get 135 + 5 x monk level (assuming 12 levels = 60) you get +195 or so to doubleshot during 10k stars.  If you are going doubleshot build (AA and DWS) you will get 20% right of the bat to standing doubleshot that you wont have, plus 120 from manyshot AND +120 to your ranged power (which will be 70 higher while blitzing)...  I think you get my point here.  Oh, and killer will also add to doubleshot when it is going, which you wont have either. 

For comparison, my pure ranger has standing 73.95% doubleshot and 135 standing RP.  When fully boosted, RP goes to 400 and doubleshot goes to ~234 give or take a few hundredths of a percent.

Linker wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:


My gameplay says otherwise, but whatever.  And oh yeah, my measly 80 fort DC doesn't matter actually, because I am more concerned with boosting my enchant DC with enemies saving vs Will (not fort dummy).  I also could care less about abundant step.  10k stars activates more, is based on Ki regen, and does not boost ranged power like Manyshot.  So, there is that.  +10 to DC I cannot argue and that is assuming you have a 94 wisdom, which would also mean you probably have less con and int (as I also get damage from KtA), but again, I will stand by my statement saying you don't really need it.  My paralyze and fear hits pretty much no fail and is not noticeable.  Don't ask me, ask anyone on Sarlona who runs with my ranger.  I will take all the DPS I get from DWS to actually kill the things I paralyze instead thx.

I now understand you are a troll and really do not have much of anything so...  have fun, peace...

Pure Monk Monkcher would want at least 14 in Racial, at least 41 in Elf AA, and at least 26 in Falcon.

Kluege wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:


Your verbigarbage is getting you DWS 6 core on a monkcher thread, and no ranged power boost on 10kstars. Your DPS isn't good enough to burst lategame mobs, and your DCs aren't enough to OHKO either. you paralyze, which is CC but it just doesn't cut it anywhere past low skulls. Manyshots requiring a bow is as much of a restriction as the ki, you pick up a lvl 1 monk ED twist and water stance and you literally regen ki faster than 10k stars depletes.

Even if that wasn't the case, everything you do, a shuri does better.

So linker and kluege are both the same sock I take it?