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Reply #25 - Nov 23rd, 2020 at 3:03pm
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I checked the API a few times and it looks like 3% of the population is anon at any given time which lines up with what their website says.
  
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Jerky wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 3:03pm:
I checked the API a few times and it looks like 3% of the population is anon at any given time which lines up with what their website says.


Which API ?

the YourDDO API... which most of us are certain is dead and buried or the Login Server API which most of us are not aware of and the few that are aware of do not know how to tickle to give us informations like the number of people logged in and the number of anons
  

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Flav wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:50am:
Which API ?


playeraudit's API. It shows anons but replaces their names with "Anonymous". I was curious so I logged-in with an anon toon and sure enough I was included in the data
  
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Jerky wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 12:02pm:
playeraudit's API.


You know playaudit is not affiliated with SSG, right? If the source data is bad the data on their own API ain't gonna be any more accurate than whats on their regular web page.
  

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Reply #29 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 2:49pm
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Flav wrote on Nov 23rd, 2020 at 1:09pm:
Lots of people was doing that... which lead to the "Link your DR Breaker" tells when trying to join a PUG.



I don't think that was due to YourDDO but rather to dodge players who would be useless during boss fights (DR).

Dps could be reduced anywhere from 20% to 100% depending on difficulty, builds, and current patch. Early Shroud had a 90DR on elite, later nerfed to 35 but regardless raid leaders didnt want deadweight in their group.
  

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Reply #30 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 3:18pm
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noamineo wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 12:57pm:
You know playaudit is not affiliated with SSG, right? If the source data is bad the data on their own API ain't gonna be any more accurate than whats on their regular web page.


I totally agree, but it shouldn't be too difficult to verify should it? playeraudit exposes all of its data through its own API. I just wanted to test their claim that they are counting anons, and as far as I can tell, they are.
  
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Reply #31 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 3:31pm
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Jerky wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 3:18pm:
I totally agree, but it shouldn't be too difficult to verify should it? playeraudit exposes all of its data through its own API. I just wanted to test their claim that they are counting anons, and as far as I can tell, they are.


Right but I'm saying we don't know where playeraudit is getting its data from. Checking their API against their web page is like asking Jerry if he's sticking to his diet. His word and an empty sack is worth the sack. If we don't know where playeraudit is getting their data, then checking it against itself makes it no more accurate.
  

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Reply #32 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 3:32pm
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Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
I don't think that was due to YourDDO but rather to dodge players who would be useless during boss fights (DR).

Dps could be reduced anywhere from 20% to 100% depending on difficulty, builds, and current patch. Early Shroud had a 90DR on elite, later nerfed to 35 but regardless raid leaders didnt want deadweight in their group.


Hey wait, so aside from the silver/holy DR required to hit Harry, what other bosses needed a DR-breaker? I don't recall any other raids either calling for one.

A' course, I was playing an artificer back then... I got into the game maybe a year pre-MOTU.
  

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Reply #33 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 4:04pm
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noamineo wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
Right but I'm saying we don't know where playeraudit is getting its data from. Checking their API against their web page is like asking Jerry if he's sticking to his diet. His word and an empty sack is worth the sack. If we don't know where playeraudit is getting their data, then checking it against itself makes it no more accurate.


Aye, but I'm checking it against the game. Log-in normally: my toon shows up in playeraudit's /who list. Log-in as anonymous: my toons show up in playeraudit's API. It's not an exhaustive test, but if a bunch of my toons logged in as anon still show up in playeraudit's API, that makes me feel pretty confident in their claims of "counting anon players".
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 6:01pm
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Jerky wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 4:04pm:
Aye, but I'm checking it against the game. Log-in normally: my toon shows up in playeraudit's /who list. Log-in as anonymous: my toons show up in playeraudit's API. It's not an exhaustive test, but if a bunch of my toons logged in as anon still show up in playeraudit's API, that makes me feel pretty confident in their claims of "counting anon players".


ooooh ok. thanks for clarifying.
  

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Reply #35 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:22pm
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noamineo wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 3:32pm:
Hey wait, so aside from the silver/holy DR required to hit Harry, what other bosses needed a DR-breaker? I don't recall any other raids either calling for one.



Nearly every single raid boss Pre-MotU had DR to bypass. The exception being Velah, who didnt even have fort until update 11, and Abbot (just bludgeoning). Ill list off some endgame bosses.

Arraetrikos (Shroud)/Suulomades (VoD)/Horoth (ToD): Silver + Good
Conjoined Abishai (eChrono): Good
Lord of Blades (Lob): Adamantine + Good
Queen Lailat (eDQ): Good+Cold Iron

Once Cannith Crafting and Artificers came DR was mostly a non-issue. Beat crafting Min 2 or winning the random gen lottery. eChrono was a joke since Lit 2 came with good, just had to watch out for lightning phase.
  

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Reply #36 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:33pm
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Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:22pm:
Nearly every single raid boss Pre-MotU had DR to bypass. The exception being Velah, who didnt even have fort until update 11, and Abbot (just bludgeoning). Ill list off some endgame bosses.

Arraetrikos (Shroud)/Suulomades (VoD)/Horoth (ToD): Silver + Good
Conjoined Abishai (eChrono): Good
Lord of Blades (Lob): Adamantine + Good
Queen Lailat (eDQ): Good+Cold Iron

Once Cannith Crafting and Artificers came DR was mostly a non-issue. Beat crafting Min 2 or winning the random gen lottery. eChrono was a joke since Lit 2 came with good, just had to watch out for lightning phase.


You know in like 12 years of playing the game, I have never ran ADQ? ...I should probably fix that.

So I must not have done LoB until cap was much higher as I don't recall having needed DR on him. But thats probably because by then we were beating him down so fast it didn't matter. eChrono I don't remember either but I really only recall running it on my wizard(I'm positive my artificer did it but I probably had GS with good by then).
  

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Reply #37 - Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:35pm
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noamineo wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:33pm:
You know in like 12 years of playing the game, I have never ran ADQ? ...I should probably fix that.

So I must not have done LoB until cap was much higher as I don't recall having needed DR on him. But thats probably because by then we were beating him down so fast it didn't matter. eChrono I don't remember either but I really only recall running it on my wizard(I'm positive my artificer did it but I probably had GS with good by then).



DQ... Took me 40 or 60 runs to get the Torc. Good times.
  


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Rose-tinted Goggles wrote on Nov 22nd, 2020 at 8:26pm:
Remember when you could look up other players gear/stats on YourDDO? Logging with shit gear to troll other players.



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Snu Snu wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:54pm:


If they pull all my items into a spreadsheet i'd pay for that shit  Cheesy
  
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The Vault of Kundarak MyDDO site operates on an Opt-in basis only. That is, we don't automatically upload any character data for you. You have to choose to upload the data and can control what is uploaded or not, and whether uploaded information is public or private.
  


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Translation: 6 people who use the site regularly will upload updated information. Everyone else will use it once then forget.
  

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Reply #42 - Nov 25th, 2020 at 12:32pm
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noamineo wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
ooooh ok. thanks for clarifying.
                   


Though that still doesn't tell us where they pull the information from...


  

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Flav wrote on Nov 25th, 2020 at 12:32pm:
Though that still doesn't tell us where they pull the information from...




No, but it does seem to point in the direction of some sort of API. Mostly it confirms they aren't just manually counting from the who window.
  

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Reply #44 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 2:18am
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Well what... playeraudit has a plugin that runs along with DDO. I would expect there are essentially two ways how to get data from that:
1) from tracking the client-server communication (probably should be encrypted?)
2) from ddo client's memory (winner?)

Now, chances are that SSG is doing stupid stuff like
1) server sends info about all players to client
2) client filters out anonymous characters to hide them from view

By stepping in and reading the list before the filter, you can get info about anons.


Also, the plugin is able to read character sheet... and they are working on inventory and banks. Well, the character sheet is "just" a matter of finding the right spots in the memory to read from. The inventory OTOH is probably quite more complex, because you have to understand how various items are stored in the inventory. For named items, you need to have the full database of items to match some item ID to the name. Plus there's stuff like mythic, reaper, augment, item damage, btcoe already equipped, etc.


The current functionality of reading the character sheet is okay I guess.. if you have some guildies or friends that you want to share stuff with.

Now inventories and banks export, that would be a big hit.
  
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Reply #45 - Nov 26th, 2020 at 4:36am
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yes wrote on Nov 21st, 2020 at 5:06am:
Does ddo have some kind of http api?

Where does the guy get its data from?


For each server they have a virtual machine running windows client with a written injector that reads process memory. Such data is then exposed to www server and processed there.

Those guys made a huge progress mapping ddo client memory. Firstly they started exposing live LFM/WHO data. But now they made a myddo equivalent that reads your ddo client's memory (implemented in new version of VoK launcher) that can read your whole character info and send it to their service. They even made menu that injects into ddo client that allows you choose which character data you want to share.

DDO client receives also info about anonymous characters but just don't displays it - but VoK team include those anonymous characters into statistics.

As long as they (VoK) are generally paladins SSG doesn't block them (they obviously breaking ToS) - but with their knowledge and progress they could write a fully functional ddo bot [imagine including today's AI algorithms], wallhacks, disable anti-dupe client's mechanisms, scrap much more data (eg every inventory items of every logged in character), tamper with client<->server communication in many ways.


  

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Here is the service they are working on: https://myddo.vaultofkundarak.com/

See their injector in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrqW7VH-C0c
  

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Oracler wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 4:46am:
Here is the service they are working on: https://myddo.vaultofkundarak.com/

See their injector in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrqW7VH-C0c


Are playeraudit and vaultofkundarak the same people?
  
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Shunned wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 9:21am:
Are playeraudit and vaultofkundarak the same people?


AFAIK playeraudit was one guy's solo project, while VoK is a team of people. The first time I saw VoK mentioned on playeraudit was after the release of the LFM viewer, so that might have been a collaboration effort
  
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crunch wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 2:18am:
1) from tracking the client-server communication (probably should be encrypted?)


Why should it be encrypted? We're talking about a video game, here. The only thing super extra secret is the password; for everything else why take the extra overhead to encrypt?
  

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