I've logged something like 480+ hours in Nioh 2 since summer.  I'd played Nioh 1 a considerable amount, but really have dug into 2 even harder.

Amazing game in every respect.  From visuals, to RNG, to crafting, to beautiful co-op and summons, to anything else except PVP.  Imagine being able to play with other with no discernable lag, without ladder bugs, without hitching combat, and where crafting amazing gear actually makes sense.  Not to mention graphics that aren't a slight upgrade from Balderdash.

DDO has fallen so very far behind the current generation of games I doubt I'll ever log in again.  It's basically a holding pen for seniors who can't handle modernity.

iliveyourdream13 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 4:08pm:


...its a 15 year old MMO based on a 24 year old engine. Yes, of course its going to "lag behind" a brand new single-player(with co-op) game. But will Nioh still be around in 15 years, and what will you say about it then?

noamineo wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 1:27pm:

Irrelevant.  You either keep up with the Jones or move on.  They've failed at updating their engine more than the bare minimum, or even structuring their code to handle scaling or age.  Engine doesn't make the game good.  You can still build a shit car if you drop a super hemi in it.

Conning some idiots to keep playing for 15 years isn't the mark of success.  We can still find a handful of beanie baby collectors.  It's just the proves the success of finding some stupid marks can be done by anyone.

Nioh 2 will end up having vastly more impact on future trends than DDO ever did.  That's a good thing, as it ties a lot of things together, including AI "hirelings", beautifully into effortless play. 

My guess is in 15 years I'll be playing a wholly immersive experience which came out of the excellence that Nioh 2 proves can be executed (as opposed to DDO devs).  I won't need to still be playing Nioh 2, but it will still have a fond place in my heart.  The same way I don't forget a great stripper that danced for me a decade ago, even though there's a new girl dancing for me now. 

The only thing anyone is going remember about DDO is the c-section scar and the crabs they got while playing save-a-ho (Marshall currently has the high score on that minigame).

iliveyourdream13 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2021 at 6:46pm:


You're comparing a brand new sequel AAA game to a 15 year old MMO from a small company. I guess while we're comparing completely unrelated things:

iliveyourdream13 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2021 at 6:46pm:


Pretty well describes this entire thread.

Standing Stone Games wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:42pm:


It was pretty lame and has not aged well. Most long-time players stuck with EQ1 since they were already invested in it and aside from better graphics, 2 didn't really offer a whole lot. Both are also MMOs and if you're an MMO gamer you really don't give a shit about non-MMOs.