I'm sure DDO is probably the best at this extremely specific niche with an extremely small market cap, but my whole point was that it's probably not healthy to confine ourselves to just this one genre. DDO is fun every so often, and I still get the "DDO itch" periodically, but I'm still not convinced that A) Turbine is worth giving money to and B) we need to spend money to enjoy the game.

Plus, I'd probably go insane if I confined myself to playing only one game (especially one as poorly-managed as DDO). If I wasted all of my time on DDO and my only outside hobbies consisted of eating cheetos, masturbating, smoking marijuana, and coming up with lame insults on the DDO Vault, I'd probably end up a pathetic, embittered, small man like some people here.

Anyway to answer your question about FE: yeah, there are two games on the DS, although one is Japan-exclusive. There are also FE games for the GBA, SNES, NES, Gamecube, Wii, 3DS, and Switch. Most of the older ones you could probably emulate. Combat is turn-based. Basically it's what happens if you marry JRPG conventions with turn-based strategy games.

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I don't confine myself to just this one genre. In fact I don't know anyone who does. I know there ARE people who play DDO and DDO exclusively, and those are the ones ruining the game(probably the only people who can use reaper crafting are those who play 60 hours a week).


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That actually sounds like a lot of fun. Is the 3DS one any good? I bought the 3DS XL and never actually used it lol.

Shinyshoes wrote on Aug 1^st, 2022 at 5:36pm:


So how much do you play and do you pick up enough reaper items to make use of reaper crafting?

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Well I have a regular DS and a 3DS and am looking for a nice turn-based RPG to play on the toilet/in line at the grocery store; what do you recommend?

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They definitely made the reaper grind-wall too soul-crushing. I'm currently sitting at something like 22 reaper points; to get to 23 I need another 39,000 RXP or so. With all applicable bonuses(first time completion, daily play-through, xp potion, etc) a quest on R4 grants me... maybe 345 RXP. And that 39k is just to get 1 more point. Its perfectly possible, but the effort-to-reward ratio is so bad that I no longer find it remotely worthwhile to grind RXP. Easier to simply play on R1 and forget the whole system even exists.

FE11 (Shadow Dragon) is a good one, if you can find it. Dunno how expensive it is these days. FE12 was the only other one on the DS and it was never released outside of Japan. Outside of those, I'm sure you could probably emulate the older ones on a smartphone too.

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This is an entirely inaccurate representation of a free market MK economy. In a free market economy, a company do whatever the fuck they want with limited or no regulation. I think what you describe is consumer confidence. People invest in what they see as value. Despite all the bugs, QoL issues and lack of devs understanding the players and game itself, it’s still a fun game. I still invest because I enjoy it. I question the boycott tactics by some if they still play and enjoy, but hey that’s your choice. The same as it is others choice to continue to financially support the game.

And I agree that if you think you will change SSG by boycotting, that will only result in them deciding to invest elsewhere. DDoO literally runs on a shoe string budget already. The devs have to pick and choose where they spend their time.

contessor wrote on Aug 17^th, 2022 at 9:29pm:


average individual income in boston is 38k a year and i can off hand think of 6 entities who probably consider ddo a job. for a perspective, google says that a mcdonalds cashier tops out at 41k. so im comfortable assuming that theres at least 6 employees making at least 38k annually (because of the oppressive cashier glass ceiling they are willing to take the loss for comfort) just in payroll that would be 228,000 dollars a year. ddo came out in 2006, which is 16 years ago. if we assume that they have always had just 6 people and ignore inflation, that would be $3,648,000 in payroll. so just to break even with this intentionally undercalculated cost of existance, ddo would have to also had generated 3,648,000 in the same time frame. at the absolute minimum, ddo MUST have successfully sold $3,648,000 worth of game play licenses. this completely ignores all their other projects, the myriad of other employees that i arbitrarily excluded from existence, any logical overhead or necessary reinvestments. according to google, "Generally, payroll expenses that fall between 15 to 30 percent of gross revenue is the safe zone for most types of businesses." lets give turbine the benefit of the doubt and assume payroll is 33% of their income. thats a bottom end estimate of $10,944,000 gross earnings over 16 years.

under these circumstances i dont believe time or money are valid explanations for failing to address particular concerns of its consumer base. something else motivates these decisions and inactions.

That's a pretty good breakdown, eighnuss. It's another reason not to spend any money on the declining game: it obviously doesn't change anything either way.

noamineo wrote on Aug 18^th, 2022 at 2:25pm:


source: his ass

feel free to disprove my statement by proving yours

That must be an old clip when he first started because he has put on at least 450lbs on that.