The new class "Archetypes" are basically just tweaked classes. They'll have different past life feats, some different class feats, and different skill trees. But they "count" towards completionist just as their base class does(EG "Dark Apostate" gives you that PL, but it "counts" as a cleric PL, and you can also have the cleric PL).

Now for some good news: Completionist is going back to being a free, auto-granted feat! So look forward to an extra feat slot going forward.

https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/533551-U56-Preview-1-Archetypes

From what I gather: "Archetypes" are to "Classes" what Wood Elves are to Elves. Given that Archetypes can qualify for regular PLs (and are not their own separate category), I don't mind them. I'm neutral on the idea: I probably won't be playing them, but I'm not opposed to their existence.

It's odd to say this, but U56 may be the first update in a long time that I'm actually looking forward to seeing. Usually, when I see the term "Update Notes," I've come to expect disappointment. But there are some good changes here.

ToEE being tweaked. This was long overdue but I'm glad it's happening. On that note, I'm kind of disappointed they're not revisiting Threnal, Phiarlan Carnival, Restless, etc. because those are actual CLASSIC adventure packs which need overhauls even moreso than ToEE does. Some other packs need drastic EXP buffs, like Saltmarsh. Still, a good change.

Completionist revision is good. I'll take +2 free stats and skills gladly.

Archetypes are whatever.

Crystal Cove reworks could go either way, but I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. From what Tolero wrote, it sounds like this could be a good thing.

Reaper Crafting costs being reduced is a good thing. No longer accepting level 1-2 items isn't. Either way, I doubt I'll ever grind reapers at endgame to get to 2.5m rexp so I don't really care personally

I think the archetypes are pretty cool. I like the cleric one.


Also, in case you guys missed it, you don't need the archetype for completionist. BUT, they all have unique/stacking PLs.


I'll be getting that 3 more stacks of HAMP from Sacred fist. Not sure about the others.

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I  don't think these classics need to be changed so much as have their loot & XP updated. Except maybe Phiarlan Carnival where they could ditch the flagging and remove that god aweful fetch quest. ToEE on the other hand, part 2 is a god damn suck fest. I've done part 2 maybe twice because it was time-consuming and so very much not interesting to play.


Head-Meat wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 10:16am:


I, too, am looking forward to this. More PLs without having to re-earn completionist? Yes please.

The bard one looks quite spicy.

The cleric one is interesting, but why the incorp??It's basically useless in mid reaper.

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Yeah while I agree with you that all these changes need to be made, they are nothing like the tweeking ToEE is getting. These are minor changes and bug fixes.

When i read it, the first thing that came to mind was "huh, isn't that like pathfinder archetypes?".

New stuff is cool, but you know this means that old stuff isnt going to get fixed/balanced. Still tons of shitty and outdated enhancement trees that need to get fixed before they even think of adding new enhancement trees.

SpaceGoat wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Yeah, that's the only one that appeals to me in any way.

Definitely have a Sonic and Electricity build in mind for this.

We'll see how it plays out, I suppose.

Revamping trees doesn't encourage people to buy hearts and pots to run more lives, not like new PL feats do.

Standing Stone Games wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:34pm:


Do you mean to tell us that your master-builder super-brain has uncovered a game breaking meta with a sonic and electric build which makes use of the upcoming sonic and electric focused archetype?

Thank you for sharing this glimpse into your genius.

I’m the best.

True Story: Have never run ToEE. I was on a long break when it came out. By the time I was back ppl didn't really run it. Never needed anything from it. <shrug>

Head-Meat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:


Well if you want to make a shitty stick build, the elemental bloom makes it less shitty.

noamineo wrote on Aug 11^th, 2022 at 7:26pm:


The end fight never was bad except the RNG with the blue mushrooms. Sometimes not there and buggy when they are.