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Re: U59 Caster nuker nerfs
Apr 7th, 2023 at 12:08pm
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I really truly feel that SSG believes that doing this will help melee. Because we know melee in high skull, the first thing they need, is for mobs to die slower.

So melee's.......your welcome!

I just don't have anymore facepalms to give.
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Re: U59 Caster nuker nerfs
Reply #1 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 1:14pm
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<sigh>

So, my druid nuker gets nerfed again, eh?  :/
  


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Re: U59 Caster nuker nerfs
Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 8:00pm
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Sasha wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:31am:
n one of Cordo's recent livestreams with Severlin, I saw Strimtom suggest that nerfing nukers could "help melees in r10s", to which Sev said they might do it. lol


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Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:22pm
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Sasha wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:31am:
Strimtom suggest that nerfing nukers could "help melees in r10s", to which Sev said they might do it.


Fuck Strimtom and fuck SSG for listening to a streamer with an overinflated view of himself. Sounds like Strim's angling for a job. Better get used to being shoved under desks.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:58pm
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Strimtom can suck my cock
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:15pm
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> So nuker casters will deal 33% less damage on r10

What I'm hearing from someone I've quested with on/off a long time is the 33% nerf is it was actually more like 40-50% on Lama when he tested it. He is a long time nuker and I've run plenty of R8-R10 with him, I lean towards trusting his results.

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Reply #6 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:51pm
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Wow.

How retarded is SSG that they think this is how "helping" even works?
  

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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:29am
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Merak wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:58pm:
Strimtom can suck my cock



He probably thinks teeth "helps" with a bj. So careful.

What kind of clueless fuck thinks casters doing less damage helps melees? Yeah, standing next to mobs attacking them and having them die slower as they attack you will surely help.

Still zero melee survivability buffs. But hey. they needed to do something, this is something, so they need to do this. Fucking retards. In a non pvp game a nerf to one is a nerf to all.
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:22pm
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R10 quests are too fucking easy for casters. Anyone who says otherwise is either living under a rock or a shitty nomeroe level player.

Is this the right fix? Maybe not. Does a fix need to happen? yes.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 1:00pm
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Ferd wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
Is this the right fix? Maybe not. Does a fix need to happen? yes.

What needs to be fixed, exactly?

How do casters being able to blow stuff up on R10 hurt melees on R10?

Kill count??

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Y'all need to get some Preparation H to soothe your butt-hurt.

How about buffing melees a bit instead of hurting the casters? Or maybe give Reaper difficulty mobs a bit more MRR??

Why is it always "Nerf this!" or "Nerf that!" with you douchebags??
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 1:16pm
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Standing Stone Games wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 1:00pm:
What needs to be fixed, exactly?
The game needs to made a little more challenging than hello kitty.
Standing Stone Games wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 1:00pm:
How do casters being able to blow stuff up on R10 hurt melees on R10?
Where the fuck do i talk about melee? I don't give a rats ass about melee. I don't play them and i don't play swim clerics. The game is too fucking easy on a caster.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:26pm
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Ferd wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 1:16pm:
The game is too fucking easy on a caster.


Ferd, I've got a new game for you to play:

  

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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:12pm
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Re: U59 Caster nuker nerfs
Reply #13 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 12:58pm
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Standing Stone Games wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 1:00pm:
Why is it always "Nerf this!" or "Nerf that!" with you douchebags??


Human nature is why. Everyone feels a sense of schadenfreude at witnessing another person's toy get slapped down.

God knows for years I had the biggest hate boner for monks, and I honestly couldn't tell you why. But I reveled in the monk nerfs.

Now years later and with a wider understanding of balancing a game from dealing with the industry. I realize the nerf approach is awful when it's a blanket nerf like this.

DDO would be better off buffing melees and nerfing the outliers in this case, which would really only require changing Frozen Wanderer and not even adjusting the classes for 'dip your toes in' approach to see how a balance pass works.
  
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Sasha wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 5:19pm:
Holy shit...

https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/538264-Lamannia-Update-59-and-beyon...

This change is literally 10x dumber than the nuker nerf.

1. Healers are already not needed for most r10 groups, now there's practically no reason to wait for a healer at all.
2. Yes, let's make r10s easier, that's definitely what the game needs.
3. Yes, let's make soloing and shortmanning easier, why play an MMO anyways?
4. Everyone was screaming "casters op!!!" just a few days ago... now they've made r10s even easier for casters to roflstomp through (they all run Reborn in Fire). LMAO

Wtf?




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Reply #15 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:31pm
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wait theres a penalty for healing others?
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 11:30pm
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Shunned wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:31pm:
wait theres a penalty for healing others?



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Re: U59 Caster nuker nerfs
Reply #17 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 11:34pm
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Sasha wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 5:19pm:
Holy shit...

https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/538264-Lamannia-Update-59-and-beyon...

This change is literally 10x dumber than the nuker nerf.

1. Healers are already not needed for most r10 groups, now there's practically no reason to wait for a healer at all.
2. Yes, let's make r10s easier, that's definitely what the game needs.
3. Yes, let's make soloing and shortmanning easier, why play an MMO anyways?
4. Everyone was screaming "casters op!!!" just a few days ago... now they've made it even easier for casters to roflstomp through r10s (they all run Reborn in Fire). LMAO

Wtf?



Really depends if you can survive the fight or not.
People already shortman shit that aint gonna change.
It just saves time outside of combat.

Not a bad change imho.
For everything else there's buddy bonus.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 12th, 2023 at 4:55am
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Sasha wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 5:19pm:
Holy shit...

https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/538264-Lamannia-Update-59-and-beyon...

This change is literally 10x dumber than the nuker nerf.

1. Healers are already not needed for most r10 groups, now there's practically no reason to wait for a healer at all.
2. Yes, let's make r10s easier, that's definitely what the game needs.
3. Yes, let's make soloing and shortmanning easier, why play an MMO anyways?
4. Everyone was screaming "casters op!!!" just a few days ago... now they've made it even easier for casters to roflstomp through r10s (they all run Reborn in Fire). LMAO

Wtf?


Yeah no this is a good change on paper. Healing out of combat is just a time sink in R10. As usual i expect them to fuck up the implementation though.
  
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Reply #19 - Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:49am
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Well this escalated quickly from bullshit nerfs to batshit nerfs.
  

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Oracler wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:49am:
Well this escalated quickly from bullshit nerfs to batshit nerfs.


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Reply #21 - Apr 12th, 2023 at 12:28pm
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the scale of shit to deal with

bullshit
batshit
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Whats next?  Who gives the final boss shit?
  
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the final boss shit?



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Reply #23 - Apr 13th, 2023 at 6:39pm
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I never really played casters before so forgive my ignorance in this question but with the nerfs in R10 it is excessive and me personally as a Melee Player I loved watching you all nuke entire mobs in on R10 I love seeing you destroying them so I’m sad seeing you nerfed, but my Question is, is that a huge debuff realisticly if you PROC Helplessness with Ottos Sphere or Mass Hold and such for Crowd Control, Don’t casters benefit from helpless debuff for their spells like Melee? Because A lot of builds I see take advantage of Helplessness Debuffs for extra boosts and the percentage of extra damage can be a extra 40-70% damage if not more so if you PROC the debuff with CC spells doesn’t this counteract the debuff to overall dps? Again I understand this is a huge nerf and not something to sneeze about if you enjoy the class, I was still pissed about my Barbarian Two Handed Feat Rework Destroyed a lot for me too a year or two ago. So I guess I’m wondering if spell casters take advantage of this debuff too with their spells?
  

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Reply #24 - Apr 16th, 2023 at 6:40am
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Kelltore wrote on Apr 13th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
but my Question is, is that a huge debuff realisticly if you PROC Helplessness with Ottos Sphere or Mass Hold and such for Crowd Control


Yes, because they were already using mass hold before the nerf.

  
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