I thought SSG had exclusive rights in perpwalkituity?

DDONoob wrote on May 17^th, 2023 at 12:39pm:

The original project was canceled in 2021.

This is a new project, supposedly.

Looking how bad Neverwinter online is in comparison with DDO - maybe it's better as it is for LOTRO


Besides Amazon is shitty game and tv series producer

Lostark - grind game for Chinks
New world - so hyped at start, ghosttown nowadays

Now imagine LOTRO based on "Rings of sorrow" XD

Shunned wrote on May 17^th, 2023 at 11:26am:


Nope...
Middle Earth Enterprise ( now a part of Amazon IIRC since Saul Zaentz finally sold it ) is  a bitch and a half when it comes licensing... they got burned by the ICE ( Iron Crown Enterprise ) License that was all encompassing and required them to lawyer ICE into bankrupcy so that they could get back the rights ( for anything in paper like PnP RPG, computer games and all the derivative products ) in time for the LOTRO movies and and to dish out licences in tiny bits.

Important caveat : Moddle Earth Enterprise ( aka Tolkien Enterprise ) is NOT the Tolkien Family ( aka Tolkien Estate ). As a rule the Tolkien Family rarely sell rights and when they do it's quite limited ( for example they only sold the content of the Silmarillion for the Amazon series ), while Tolkien Enterprise is a commercial IP venture.

The IP for Tolkien work is split the following way :
- Harper Collins for the LoTR & Hobbit books
- Middle Earth Enterprise /Tolkien Enterprise for anything derivated from the LoTR & the Hobbit
- Tolkien Estate for everything else ( from Silmarillion up to The Fall of Gondoling going through Lost Tales, Lays of Beleriand and more )

So if you want to be able to use the whole thing you need to get both Middle Earth Enterprise and the Tolkien Family to agree... which beyond rare as they usually tend to despise each other due to the LoTR Book IV ( the annexes ) that contains summaries of many things detailled in the following books.

TL; DR to the license thingie

The license is valid only so long as the licensor is willing for the licensee to pay for it. There's various clauses in the licence that describes what happens when one or the other wants to break the agreement.

noamineo wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 5:22pm:

Yes, Yes they are lol I can’t find new mmos worth playing, Archage and New World was Absolutely Shit,  Black Desert was shit too, World of Warcraft is going down hill every single expansion but still decent I guess but I haven’t played since Legion, Final Fantasy Online is actually pretty cool but I couldn’t get too much into it. Albion online is super bland, DC Universe is fun to me but gets boring quickly at Max still will play though, Star Wars MMO super boring to me but has some fun stuff. RuneScape is still I guess ok to me but it’s tiring the amount of security issues they have consistently with Account Hijacks 😂

noamineo wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 2:14pm:

That’s Exactly my reasoning why I couldn’t get into ArchAge, the amount of High Levels that grief new players astonished me, then it came to a point where I had to play like you said as a second job to do anything and that got extremely boring so quick, I’m fine with games that are Grindy but to me it didn’t seem like you could do anything in Archage worthwhile unless you paid for something in the end. I will give it the credit for a awesome concept but holy moly it was bad when I played in 2016-2018 with the amount I have been working there was no way to keep up when I played but I did love the sheer amount of customization and content to do.

Archeage was ok. I played the version where you payed 20 bucks or whatever it was and that was all you payed. (Unchained maybe was what it was called?)
After a while it just got to feel like a daily job. Had all the same kill/fetch/courier quests I dont like that are in every mmo. It was sort of fun though for awhile. I played around when covid started, but then saw DDO did their first free coupon thing and came back after about 3 years away.

I didn't like the idea of "labor" where if you used all of it, well........guess I'll come back tomorrow.....