Im le tired of playing gimpy bards...

So a few questions.

#1 past life bard feat worth taking, and does it stack with SPF: Enchantment.

#2 Is CHA based worth it, ever? On that, Spellsinger acatully usefull or would it make more sence to just roll a cleric/fvs if I really had a boner for healing that bad.

More to come when I think of it...

I TR'd into a halfing TN Cha bard with 14,10,14,8,8,18 and cant decide where to go from there. Played virt before, tis nice, but your as useful in raids as much as a 1 legged man in an ass kicking contest. Sure its good for epics, but meh.

Anyways, since i'm stuck with decisions that I made, can a CHA based bard be taken seriously and be practical.

Help a nucca out! 

spellsingers can be awesome in epics as well but it really depend on how well you equip and how well you run them. a lot of times people have this impression that spellsingers are healers or buffbots. in reality people who think that way is really closed minded. the strongest point of a spellsinger is crowd control. greater shout stuns, irresistable dance takes out almost anything, fascinate put them out of action, etc. i have been able to run an epic on my bard without a fvs or clr in the group (not a raid). fascinate up ahead, dance the mobs, watch the barbs take frenzy damage then pop them up with a heal

if u want a little more versatility with your bard, get him a LSII repeater 

Aranticus wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 9:25pm:


We may be closed minded, but we're also right.  The only bard worth building is a melee warchanter.

Demoyn wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 10:37pm:

Fixed.

Its not hard to get a caster or healer into epics so why waste time on trying to half ass what they can do.  . And i ahve healed epics before on my bard only using scrolls, Being able to buff the group up with songs to improve over all damage and then being able to put out as much dps as most of the group is way better in my opinion.

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It is ok to be jealous nancy. You are not alone in your plight

Harkins wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 6:32pm:


dun really need, spellsingers have one of the highest DC in the game

capstone is another +2

for the cost of 2 feats, you increase the dc by 2 for enchantment spells. your main spells that you want dc to increase is dance ball and the mass charm/suggest spells as mentioned, in my experience of playing such a bard, heighten will allow them to be sufficiently useful. for mobs that have high saves, the saves are even higher that even with heighten and 2 sf feats that you cannot reliably cc them. in such cases, ottos irresistable dance which dc increases do not help or fascinate is used (which u mentioned)

if you are a human bard, you can possibly take the 2 focus feats and lose the repeater feat but this means essentially, you become a full healbot is boss fights. my personal preference is for a character to have 1 or 2 avenues of contribution. in a party with 2 healers present, you contribution could be increase if you added some dps via the repeater

u could but if you wanted to use a gaxe, might as well roll a warchanter. a spellsinger would not have as much hp a chanter would since you are not likely to splash 2 ftr plus the fact that you are going to use ranged based abilities ie spells and fascinate more

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One could study the forums everyday for a year and still not understand some of Aranticus's posts. Feel no shame in it.

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No, probably not.  Think of Aranticus as your typical inscrutable asian mystic.  He says shit he thinks will actually help while not actually spelling it out for you, but in reality just confuses the fuck out of you.

Sort of like Victor Wong's character in "The Golden Child".

stainer wrote on Aug 28^th, 2010 at 11:06am:

I don't doubt it.  Hopefully he'll give me a break; my wife was born in Singapore.  We're practically family!