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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	How lame is this build? Aug 18^th, 2010 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	I tried to put this in "nice terms" on the other forums, but here you can feel free to give me real advice or just call me a noob. Matter of fact, I'm sure Visty will be in here to tell me I suck any second. I'm cool with that. (Background: My main is a TR'ed Clonk, so I've capped and re-capped a CLR- it's the melee stuff I need help with) I want to play around with a "battle-capable" Cleric which will prob be heavily multiclassed- I'm thinking end build will be 12 CLR/2 FTR/6 PAL. Str-based (as in all levels into STR), THF. Human. Explaining the 12 CLR levels is easy- Radiant servant Aura, Heal Spell and at least Mass Cure Mod- a weak BB, but it still hits. Self-buffing, 30 pt. resists, no-fail res and Heal scrolling. Fighter Levels- For the feats Pally levels- On advice of guildies for smites, saves and other things I don't really understand yet. ATM, she's level 14- I can crit as high as 150 buffed and my cures hit for a decent amount, i.e. I was able to heal through Running With the Devils today on Norm (Level 16 quest). She relies heavily on Aura healing, knows when to use scrolls to supplement SP and has a bag of other CLR tricks to conserve resources. How much does this suck and why? Viable support DPS/Heals, or should I just have rolled a Bard? Should I ignore the Pally and take 6MNK? If you don't think it sucks too much, gear selection tips would be appreciated. I especially need to know the best slotting for STR items and what armor you would suggest.

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Visty Ex Member	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #1 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 2:56pm	Print Post
	why should i say it sucks? true, the fighter levels are suboptimal, monk would be better for evasion but besides that....


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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #2 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	Quote: why should i say it sucks? true, the fighter levels are suboptimal, monk would be better for evasion but besides that.... Dunno, you and I always seem to disagree in the Cleric forums. Can I ask for more advice--- I'm wondering how effective the evasion will be considering I've gone STR-based and have a starting DEX of 8. It's a 32 Pt. build... I know I can get some exceptional stats/saves off of Shroud crafting... I guess I should really post the stats that I'm working with in order for you guys to give any useful critiques. I'll load them into the planner as soon as I can.

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Visty Ex Member	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #3 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 3:13pm	Print Post
	with a decent cha (what you want to have, even if just for DM2) your ref will be high enough to matter...maybe not for elite and epic traps, but meh, for those you have heal


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #4 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 3:37pm	Print Post
	I don't know shit about cleric builds except to say that if you are going for a "battle-cleric", you need to make sure that you spend all your points on awesome DPS and don't waste it on hjealing.

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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #5 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 3:50pm	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 3:37pm: I don't know shit about cleric builds except to say that if you are going for a "battle-cleric", you need to make sure that you spend all your points on awesome DPS and don't waste it on hjealing. Agreed, and that's exactly where I need hjelp. Gah, so hard to discuss without the planner...brb.

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Kranix Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 61 Location: Louisiana Joined: Aug 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #6 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	16/2/2 Cleric paladin monk. Max str, Max con, decent Charisma. endgame you'll have evasion, and +10-12 to all saves from the monk paladin splash. Monk will also net you evasion and +44hp. 16 cleric will give you a nice amount of sp and access to 4 L8 spells, mass DW, death pact, and holy aura. Will end up with 34 str, 30-34 con, 28 charisma, and something like 22-24 wisdom.


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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #7 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 4:11pm	Print Post
	Ok, here's what I got-� It's a bit off for some reason, but this is a rough idea of what I've got going.� Always willing to take advice and criticism, as this is a work in progress. There is no Radiant Servant in the planner, so some AP are missing... also note that odd choices I would not normally have taken are pre-reqs for R.S. such as Cleric Heal II (yuck) and Improved Turning (double-yuck). Tried to clean up code, hard to do on some parts. Level 14 Lawful Good Human Female (2 Fighter \ 12 Cleric) Hit Points: 210 Spell Points: 709 BAB: 11\11\16\21 Fortitude: 13 Reflex: 4 Will: 12 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� �� Base Stats� �� Modified Stats (32 Point)� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 14) Strength� �� 17� �� 23 Dexterity� �� 8� �� 10 Constitution� �� 13� �� 15 Intelligence� �� 10� �� 12 Wisdom� �� 16� �� 19 Charisma� �� 10� �� 14 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Skills- Concentration, Balance, UMD Level 1 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Cleric) Level 3 (Cleric) Feat: Extend Spell Level 4 (Cleric) Level 5 (Cleric) Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: Empower Healing Spell Level 7 (Cleric) Level 8 (Cleric) Level 9 (Cleric) Feat: Maximize Spell Level 10 (Cleric) Level 11 (Cleric) Level 12 (Cleric) Feat: Quicken Spell Level 13 (Cleric) Level 14 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Fighter Haste Boost I Fighter Critical Accuracy I Human Adaptability Strength I Human Improved Recovery I Fighter Item Defense I Racial Toughness I Racial Toughness II Cleric Heal I Cleric Heal II Cleric Prayer of Life I Cleric Prayer of Life II Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Cleric Life Magic I Cleric Life Magic II Cleric Life Magic III Cleric Life Magic IV Cleric Energy of the Zealot I Cleric Energy of the Zealot II Cleric Energy of the Zealot III Cleric Charisma I Cleric Charisma II Cleric Wisdom I Fighter Toughness I Cleric Divine Healing I Cleric Divine Healing II (this will be changed in a level or two) Cleric Extra Turning I Cleric Extra Turning II Cleric Improved Turning I Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #8 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm	Print Post
	6 pally? Why? For kotc? For hp or bab? If it's just for pally bonuses 2 is enough, 3 gives you all but can be too deep a splash mel�e? Why bother that maximize? You are going to kill faster by mel�e than offensive casting. Ditch your cha, make sure str and con is higher, wis just make it enough to cast yours spells when disjuncted


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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #9 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:02pm	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm: 6 pally? Why? For kotc? For hp or bab? If it's just for pally bonuses 2 is enough, 3 gives you all but can be too deep a splash mel�e? Why bother that maximize? You are going to kill faster by mel�e than offensive casting. Ditch your cha, make sure str and con is higher, wis just make it enough to cast yours spells when disjuncted I was told that I may want the 6 Pally for KotC, yes- not sure how effective those 6 levels are. I will run a "capped" toon with only two levels like you and Kran suggest through the generator. Why Maximize? Good question- it's not for offensive casting, I took it knowing that I would have to do some healing on the way up- decided on Maximize to plump Cures and I ignored Empower. Next question is- why not Maximize? What do you suggest instead? Next about ditching CHA- (and remember, I know little to nothing about Pallies)- isn't the saves bonus tied to CHA? I could go as Visty suggested and pump CHA for DMight... initially I wanted it for the turns, but I sure can get those via enhancements. Thanks for your reply, Aranticus! Ok, instead of asking a billion questions, let me run it through the planner again and get a re-critique.

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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #10 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Pallai wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:02pm: Why Maximize?� Good question- it's not for offensive casting, I took it knowing that I would have to do some healing on the way up- decided on Maximize to plump Cures and I ignored Empower. Next question is- why not Maximize?� What do you suggest instead? you already have empower healing so max and if you are going radiant servant, you have a +75% on your healing so max is redundant. what about combat feats like ithf, etc? Quote: Next about ditching CHA- (and remember, I know little to nothing about Pallies)- isn't the saves bonus tied to CHA?� I could go as Visty suggested and pump CHA for DMight... initially I wanted it for the turns, but I sure can get those via enhancements. Thanks for your reply, Aranticus! Ok, instead of asking a billion questions, let me run it through the planner again and get a re-critique. as a BC u have 4 feats to take care of, str con wis and cha. str is a no brainer. con should not be less than 14. this leaves wis and cha. you wanted a high wis, it means less cha. but to me personally, i'll ditch cha to the barest minium to cast heal spell without items and load up on cha for DM. there is no point trying to do everything. focus


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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #11 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:37pm	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:33pm: you already have empower healing so max and if you are going radiant servant, you have a +75% on your healing so max is redundant. what about combat feats like ithf, etc? Some people on the "other" boards like ITHF, some have said that it's not worth it unless you can take the whole chain. I say, if you suggest it, I'll try it! Worst thing that'll happen is I'll have to swap a feat, right? Aranticus wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:33pm: as a BC u have 4 feats to take care of, str con wis and cha. str is a no brainer. con should not be less than 14. this leaves wis and cha. you wanted a high wis, it means less cha. but to me personally, i'll ditch cha to the barest minium to cast heal spell without items and load up on cha for DM. there is no point trying to do everything. focus Hrm- I've got starting CON at 13 only because I have the Belt of Thoughtful Rememberance (has CON +5)- I plan on wearing that until I can get a Vorne's or other Amrath belt. I'll try LR'ing to do the higher CHA thing--- still need to feed it through the planner, but this helps tremendously, thank you.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #12 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	Pallai wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:37pm: ... but this helps tremendously, thank you. In blind taste tests, 90% of all users preferred builds by Aranticus.

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Stanley Nicholas Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 128 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2010	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #13 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 3:01am	Print Post
	I would not recommend splashing paladin on a build without evasion. Smites are fun and all, but you will probably get more bang for your buck out of fighter levels instead if you aren't making full use of those boosted saves, along with a nice charisma score. Either swap the fighter levels for monk to get evasion (and you don't lose any feats that way), or replace all the paladin levels with additional fighter and/or cleric levels. 18/2, 16/4, 14/6, or 12/8 could all be potentially viable splits, though I always recommend that you splash only the minimum amount of levels that you can get away with and still achieve your objective. Or just roll a paladin. Kranix' 16/2/2 suggestion is also very good, and one other thing he left out is that you can qualify for Divine Might III that way too, if your cha is good enough.


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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #14 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Ok, here we go- [code]Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.16 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female (3 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 15 Cleric) Hit Points: 350 (450 with CON 6, GFL, Drac. Vitality) Spell Points: 943 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 22 Reflex: 16 Will: 19 � �� Starting� �� Ending� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� �� Base Stats� �� Base Stats� �� Modified Stats (32 Point)� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 17� �� 24� �� 24 Dexterity� �� 13� �� 15� �� 15 Constitution� �� 15� �� 17� �� 18 Intelligence� �� 8� �� 10� �� 10 Wisdom� �� 12� �� 14� �� 16 Charisma� �� 10� �� 12� �� 14 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 � �� Starting� �� Ending� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� �� Base Skills� �� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 2� �� 14� �� 14 Bluff� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Concentration� �� 6� �� 27� �� 27 Diplomacy� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Heal� �� 1� �� 3� �� 5 Hide� �� 1� �� 2� �� 2 Intimidate� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Jump� �� 3� �� 7� �� 7 Listen� �� 1� �� 3� �� 3 Move Silently� �� 1� �� 2� �� 2 Open Lock� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Perform� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Repair� �� -1� �� 0� �� 0 Search� �� -1� �� 0� �� 0 Spot� �� 1� �� 3� �� 3 Swim� �� 3� �� 7� �� 7 Tumble� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Use Magic Device� �� 1� �� 13� �� 13 Feat: Extend Spell Feat: Maximize Spell Feat: Power Attack Feat: Two Handed Fighting Feat: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Feat: Improved Two Handed Fighting Feat: Lightning Reflexes Feat:� Toughness x 2 Human Adaptability Constitution I Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom Human Improved Recovery III Human Versatility III Paladin Item Defense I Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I Racial Toughness III Cleric Heal II Cleric Prayer of Life I Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Cleric Life Magic III Cleric Energy of the Zealot III Cleric Charisma II Cleric Wisdom I Paladin Toughness I Cleric Divine Healing II Cleric Divine Vitality II Cleric Extra Turning III Cleric Improved Turning I Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #15 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	this build needs twinking Pallai wrote on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 5:58pm: Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female (3 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 15 Cleric) go 2 pal, 3 pal is usually for fear immunity which doesnt really help u much. plus 1 more clr level = 1 more L8 spell Quote: Hit Points: 350 (450 with CON 6, GFL, Drac. Vitality) Spell Points: 943 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 22 Reflex: 16 Will: 19 � �� Starting� �� Ending� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� �� Base Stats� �� Base Stats� �� Modified Stats (32 Point)� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 17� �� 24� �� 24 lower to 16 and save 3 build points Quote: Dexterity� �� 13� �� 15� �� 15 [quote] dump to 10 or even 8 since u are going thf, 3-5 build points saved [quote]Constitution� �� 15� �� 17� �� 18 Intelligence� �� 8� �� 10� �� 10 Wisdom� �� 12� �� 14� �� 16 [quote] L8 spells only need 18 wis, if you are daring enough go 10 wis. 10+3tome+3enh+6item = 22 wis. even when disjuncted, you have 16 wis for L6 spells [quote]Charisma� �� 10� �� 12� �� 14 try get this to maybe 16-18 with tomes. means 14+2 tome or 15+3 tome. that will give u +4-6 damage Quote: Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 i wont bother with +1 tomes cept maybe wis Quote: � �� Starting� �� Ending� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� �� Base Skills� �� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 2� �� 14� �� 14 Bluff� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Concentration� �� 6� �� 27� �� 27 Diplomacy� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Heal� �� 1� �� 3� �� 5 Hide� �� 1� �� 2� �� 2 Intimidate� �� 0� �� 2� �� 2 Jump� �� 3� �� 7� �� 7 Listen� �� 1� �� 3� �� 3 Move Silently� �� 1� �� 2� �� 2 Open Lock� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Perform� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Repair� �� -1� �� 0� �� 0 Search� �� -1� �� 0� �� 0 Spot� �� 1� �� 3� �� 3 Swim� �� 3� �� 7� �� 7 Tumble� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Use Magic Device� �� 1� �� 13� �� 13 Feat: Extend Spell Feat: Maximize Spell Feat: Power Attack Feat: Two Handed Fighting Feat: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Feat: Improved Two Handed Fighting Feat: Lightning Reflexes Feat:� Toughness x 2 personally i'd go toughness, empower healing, extend, thf, imp crit, PA, Ithf, gthf Quote: Human Adaptability Constitution I Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom Human Improved Recovery III i'd drop imp recovery, 1 tier is ok, 3 tiers too much Quote: Human Versatility III Paladin Item Defense I Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I Racial Toughness III Cleric Heal II Cleric Prayer of Life I Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Cleric Life Magic III max life magic out, drop item defense and LoH Quote: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III Cleric Charisma II drop clr charisma, only good thing is +1 turn undead for 1 more aura but they regen now so no biggie Quote: Cleric Wisdom I Paladin Toughness I Cleric Divine Healing II drop this, your aura is better Quote: Cleric Divine Vitality II Cleric Extra Turning III Cleric Improved Turning I Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II you should increase scroll mastery and maybe drop the extra turning ps: if anything i say to drop is prereq for RS, ignore what i said for it


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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #16 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	Hey Aranticus, Yeah, CLR Char. II is a pre-req. and is 2AP cheaper than Unyielding. Could take Unyielding, but I hate the long cooldown. Took the three Pally levels to get access to certain Enhancements, but will run it through again. I think I took the Toughness x 2 because it was the only tasty thing listed for my Monk bonus feats- will have to see if it is possible to swap around to get GTWF. Thank you so much for taking the time to look through that and add your notes, you've no idea how helpful it is.

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Stanley Nicholas Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 128 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2010	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #17 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 11:17pm	Print Post
	Yeah, the 3rd paladin level is a mistake IMO.� Fear immunity isn't worth the extra sp and spell slot when you can get that on an item or just use GH. If you want to be a primary melee, you'll want to get your DPS as high as you can manage.� As long as you can hit fine, raising your cha is actually even more rewarding than your str due to Divine Might.� Raising it four points from 10 to 14 increases your damage by 2, the same as a 4 point increase in str would.� But after that, every additional 2 points of cha (up to 18 including tomes, for DM III) nets you another 2 damage, whereas 2 points of str only grants +1 damage.� Additionally, boosting your cha will also boost your saves, and hopefully more than make up for lightning reflexes if it turns out you can't fit that in. I'm not sying to put levelups into cha - those should definitely stay in str.� But your base cha needs to be high enough to take advantage of DM II at least, but III preferably, once you do get the appropriate tomes.� Shave a point off your con, some out of your dex, or even consider starting with a 16 str, so you can push your starting cha to a 14 or 15. One more thing - if you intend to be in melee most of the time and still heal yourself and/or those around you, you'll probably want to pick up Quicken.� The DC for a concentration check is 10 + damage taken I believe (I forget, is your spell's level also added to the DC?), so it's easy enough to fail an occasional check at a critical time when you start doing some more difficult content.� I would consider Quicken a must have for any melee cleric or fvs, even though healbot types can get by without it if they're good.
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Stanley Nicholas Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 128 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2010	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #18 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 11:24pm	Print Post
	Pallai wrote on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 10:58pm: Hey Aranticus, Yeah, CLR Char. II is a pre-req. and is 2AP cheaper than Unyielding.� Could take Unyielding, but I hate the long cooldown. Took the three Pally levels to get access to certain Enhancements, but will run it through again. I think I took the Toughness x 2 because it was the only tasty thing listed for my Monk bonus feats- will have to see if it is possible to swap around to get GTWF. Thank you so much for taking the time to look through that and add your notes, you've no idea how helpful it is.� PA is available on the monk feat list too - that's a good place to put it.� GTWF is definitely nice if you can fit it in so take it if you can, but unlike TWF it doesn't break the build if you can't fit in the whole feat chain. I see that the extra LOH and item defense are on the lvl 3 pally enhancement list.� You will have 16 cleric levels though, so you hardly need that extra LOH.� And item defense isn't useless, but it's not something worth taking a level for.� Eventually you will be wearing mostly bound loot anyway, so perm damage will be a non-issue.
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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #19 - Aug 20^th, 2010 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	Better? (sorry about the code, I'm getting lazy at having to manually delete it) Code [u][b]Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.16[/b][/u] [url=http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO]DDO Character Planner Home Page[/url] Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female (2 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 16 Cleric) Hit Points: 326 Spell Points: 943 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 25 Reflex: 17 Will: 21 [B]� �� Starting� �� Ending� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� �� Base Stats� �� Base Stats� �� Modified Stats [U](32 Point)[/U]� �� [U](Level 1)[/U]� �� [U](Level 20)[/U]� �� [U](Level 20)[/U][/B] [COLOR=silver]Strength� �� 16� �� 23� �� 24 Dexterity� �� 12� �� 14� �� 14 Constitution� �� 15� �� 17� �� 18 Intelligence� �� 8� �� 10� �� 10 Wisdom� �� 12� �� 14� �� 16 Charisma� �� 14� �� 16� �� 18[/COLOR] [B][U]Tomes Used[/U][/B] [COLOR=silver]+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 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	Pallai, Ascent Saraphima, Chennai, Northenstar, Chellai Nothing Personal Argonessen
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #20 - Aug 20^th, 2010 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	i'd lower con to 14 and up cha to 15. simple reason being 15 cha + 3 tome = 18 which gives u DMIII. as to lightning reflexes, ditch it


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Stanley Nicholas Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 128 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2010	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #21 - Aug 21^st, 2010 at 6:45pm	Print Post
	Looks much better.� You will get some more skill points though if you take monk at lvl 1. I don't necessarily see a problem with lightning reflexes though. If you don't feel you need extend, then why not boost your evasion success rates? Helps make up for the fact that clerics have weak reflex save progression.
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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #22 - Aug 21^st, 2010 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	Stanley Nicholas wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 6:45pm: Looks much better.� You will get some more skill points though if you take monk at lvl 1. Can't LR Monk in at level 1 due to the alignment change/LR bug.

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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #23 - Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Stanley Nicholas wrote on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 11:17pm: One more thing - if you intend to be in melee most of the time and still heal yourself and/or those around you, you'll probably want to pick up Quicken.� The DC for a concentration check is 10 + damage taken I believe (I forget, is your spell's level also added to the DC?), so it's easy enough to fail an occasional check at a critical time when you start doing some more difficult content.� I would consider Quicken a must have for any melee cleric or fvs, even though healbot types can get by without it if they're good. 10 + spell level + damage taken. Since you'll probably cap around a 50ish concentration (23 ranks, 15 item, 4 GH + Con) this means you can safely cast Heal without fail if hit for 35 or less damage. If the spell level is higher or lower, or you have more bonuses than just a 26 Con adjust accordingly. But yes, that means when enemies start hitting for 50 or more you'll fizzle a lot without Quicken.

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Pallai Stormreaver Piker Offline Keeper of the Rangersauce Posts: 745 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: How lame is this build? Reply #24 - Aug 23^rd, 2010 at 3:44am	Print Post
	My next question is about Damage Mitigation. Having the Aura has helped a LOT, but I'm unsure about how useful it will be in end-game content. It's holding strong at level 15 in keeping me topped off and I only really need to shoot myself a Heal if I'm swarmed with mobs or getting hit especially hard. I didn't plan the Monk levels, so my thoughts were to stick with Full Plate and try to get some DR to help with incoming damage reduction. Obviously can't do that with 2 Monk levels, which leaves me with robes. My WIS and DEX are not high enough to offer any real bonus to AC and there's no way this toon can get a meaningful AC at end game. Is there any good way to mitigate incoming damage? I'm thinking I'm stuck with either A. Killing mobs faster or B. Having obscene HP (which would gimp my other stats). First thought was to load up on crafted guards, but I'm worried about them going off at the wrong times-- how many times have you seen a damage guard go off on a slivered Stormreaver or prepped Shroud Lieutenant? Basically, I'm now having gear second-thoughts and am not sure what direction to go in.

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