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Sep 3rd, 2010 at 2:16pm
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My cleric reached 20 and I am wanting to get ready for epic content. I play a straight healbot and to that end I am debating on whether or not the ap points I put into the RS line are worth it. I am kinda leaning towards the idea those points might be better allocated elsewhere in my build. Also debating on ditching Empower Heal for something else(not decieded at the moment) as the only time I use it is when I encounter WF barbs with massive hp or when I hit my aura or burst. Any input would be appericated.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 2:37pm
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woody wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 2:16pm:
I play a bi-curious healbot. Any input would be appericated.


That is all I saw.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 6:02pm
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stainer wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 2:37pm:
That is all I saw.


Hmmm. Either Stainer believes my line of thought is incorrect or he was doing the helicopter with his greenis and I was standing too close.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 6:34pm
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It seems to me that if you are a battle cleric then RS is great because you are going toe to toe with the baddies and healing your fellow combatants at the same time.  Win-win right?  Personally, I don't think so, cuz as a battle cleric you aren't gonna be the main healer for your groups so you still need someone to heal the party, which means you don't need the aura...  now if RS healed everyone in the room that might be interesting then the cleric could hang back and heal on top of the aura.  RS really isn't gonna keep anyone up in a tough fight.  At least that what it seems like to me.  I'm gonna try it on my cleric but I doubt I'll keep it.  T

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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 6:41pm
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It seems to me that if you are a battle cleric then RS is great because you are going toe to toe with the baddies and healing your fellow combatants at the same time.  Win-win right?  Personally, I don't think so, cuz as a battle cleric you aren't gonna be the main healer for your groups so you still need someone to heal the party, which means you don't need the aura...  now if RS healed everyone in the room that might be interesting then the cleric could hang back and heal on top of the aura.  RS really isn't gonna keep anyone up in a tough fight.  At least that what it seems like to me.  I'm gonna try it on my cleric but I doubt I'll keep it.  T

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Thats the line of thought I was thinking. The aura only works if I am in the middle of the group and the burst is only effective the same way and I have to hard target myself to boot. Considering I am away from most the battle the only one that benifits from it is me. Add in that I dont use empower heal too often the extra +25% that the RS line gives me on that is wasted too.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:52pm
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Often in Epic Von 6, I have seen Radiant Servants stand inside the combat group when its not their "Turn" to heal.

Of course, these are good, experienced healers that aren't going to drop the minute Velah hits them.

Just because 95% of the Clerics on my server have switched to RS doesn't mean its a good thing, or a bad thing.  It is a new tool to utilize, and if used improperly, fail will occur.

Still, the boost to Empower Healing should not be discounted.  Healing healer-unfriendly ToD tanks can be a pain.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 9:57pm
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I'll start by saying that I've never had a healer of any kind above level 10.  The closest that I've come to a high level healer was CMW wand whipping a PUG through Sleeping Dust on my Ranger.  Smiley

That said, I like the idea of RS on a non-healbot.  I enjoy the hell out of Civilization IV and whenever I get a trait or a special unit that is especially strong defensively, I end up turning it into an offensive trait.  Because my units are stronger defensively, I don't have to build as many defenders.  That frees up more of my resources for offense and I take over foreign territory more quickly.

I hope that the same thing would be possible for an offensive casting Cleric - RS allows you to do your needed healing with fewer SP and less active attention.  That leaves more SP and more attention available to blast the hell out of your enemies with whatever appropriate spells you have available. 

I honestly don't know if it works that way, but it's at least a thought.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 6:24pm
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popejubal wrote on Sep 11th, 2010 at 9:57pm:
I'll start by saying that I've never had a healer of any kind above level 10.  The closest that I've come to a high level healer was CMW wand whipping a PUG through Sleeping Dust on my Ranger.  Smiley

That said, I like the idea of RS on a non-healbot.  I enjoy the hell out of Civilization IV and whenever I get a trait or a special unit that is especially strong defensively, I end up turning it into an offensive trait.  Because my units are stronger defensively, I don't have to build as many defenders.  That frees up more of my resources for offense and I take over foreign territory more quickly.

I hope that the same thing would be possible for an offensive casting Cleric - RS allows you to do your needed healing with fewer SP and less active attention.  That leaves more SP and more attention available to blast the hell out of your enemies with whatever appropriate spells you have available. 

I honestly don't know if it works that way, but it's at least a thought.


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Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 8:47pm
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Landar wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 11:52pm:
Still, the boost to Empower Healing should not be discounted.  Healing healer-unfriendly ToD tanks can be a pain.


Use a caster.... after being waved they can just scroll heal with ease.
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OnePercenter wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:
I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.  #epochsfamiliarFTW

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Even against donuts.
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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 10:45pm
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Civilization IV?  No offense, but if you just want to type random shit into a reply box, please do it on the official DDO forums.  thank you. T


Don't hate on the Civ.  I learned all my resource management strategies on the Civ series and that's what paid for my house and kids and what lets me finish quests with leftover spell points.

Hell, Civ taught me how to pick up women and Civ even taught me which ones to put back down again.  Civ bought me lunch when I forgot to stop at the ATM on my way to work.  Don't you talk shit about Civ here, son.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 11:12pm
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popejubal wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 10:45pm:
Don't hate on the Civ.  I learned all my resource management strategies on the Civ series and that's what paid for my house and kids and what lets me finish quests with leftover spell points.

Hell, Civ taught me how to pick up women and Civ even taught me which ones to put back down again.  Civ bought me lunch when I forgot to stop at the ATM on my way to work.  Don't you talk shit about Civ here, son.



Civ is a waste of time, money, and cpu.

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OnePercenter wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:
I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.  #epochsfamiliarFTW

Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:09am:
It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity.
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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 12:50am
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Why wouldn't you?  I say yes- RS is awesomesauce and not douchecanoe... besides, it's only enhancement respec and you can set it different in 3 days anyways.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:38pm
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popejubal wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 10:45pm:
Don't hate on the Civ.  I learned all my resource management strategies on the Civ series and that's what paid for my house and kids and what lets me finish quests with leftover spell points.

Hell, Civ taught me how to pick up women and Civ even taught me which ones to put back down again.  Civ bought me lunch when I forgot to stop at the ATM on my way to work.  Don't you talk shit about Civ here, son.


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Reply #13 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:04pm
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popejubal wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 10:45pm:
Don't hate on the Civ.  I learned all my resource management strategies on the Civ series and that's what paid for my house and kids and what lets me finish quests with leftover spell points.

Hell, Civ taught me how to pick up women and Civ even taught me which ones to put back down again.  Civ bought me lunch when I forgot to stop at the ATM on my way to work.  Don't you talk shit about Civ here, son.


Civ rocks!  If this is 1991.  But wait.  It's 2010.  Nevermind.  The above post needs to hop back into the hot tub time machine.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:11pm
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Asheras wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:04pm:
Civ rocks!  If this is 1991.  But wait.  It's 2010.  Nevermind.  The above post needs to hop back into the hot tub time machine.



Civ5 releases in October.  It was the one thing I wanted to see at PAX East and couldn't get into.
  
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Epoch wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 11:12pm:
Civ is a waste of time, money, and cpu.

what now?


ONLY when compared to Fall From Heaven (2).
  
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SC 2

Nothing more needs to be said.
  
OnePercenter wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:
I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.  #epochsfamiliarFTW

Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 2:09am:
It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity.
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Epoch wrote on Sep 21st, 2010 at 5:42am:
SC 2

Nothing more needs to be said.

A beautiful game ruined by a steadfast determination to "revolutionize" grouping.

Their grouping mechanic *is* good... but in order to get everyone to use it, they removed the option for any other grouping method, such as the traditional one employed by both SC1 and DDO.

...and caused me to lose interest as a result Sad
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 12:24am
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Strakeln wrote on Sep 21st, 2010 at 7:20pm:
A beautiful game ruined by a steadfast determination to "revolutionize" grouping.

Their grouping mechanic *is* good... but in order to get everyone to use it, they removed the option for any other grouping method, such as the traditional one employed by both SC1 and DDO.

...and caused me to lose interest as a result Sad


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OnePercenter wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:41am:
I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.  #epochsfamiliarFTW

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It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity.
Even against donuts.
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Reply #19 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:41am
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Radiant Servant is a great tool, if you don't want to melee, good, get your aura up, take out your light and darkness or lorrik shield and get in the middle of the fight shield blocking with Torc and co-op. You heal up with aura, you recover SP, you can go for a nice heal burst if needed. Why not to ?
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 4:36pm
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r3dl4nce wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 11:41am:
Radiant Servant is a great tool, if you don't want to melee, good, get your aura up, take out your light and darkness or lorrik shield and get in the middle of the fight shield blocking with Torc and co-op. You heal up with aura, you recover SP, you can go for a nice heal burst if needed. Why not to ?

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Mister_Peace wrote on Sep 21st, 2010 at 5:06am:
ONLY when compared to Fall From Heaven (2).



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Reply #22 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 12:42pm
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RS is a great tool, regardless of what kind of cleric you are... I've no idea what race you are so don't know what enhancements you have options to that you would be missing out on to take RS.

However as a Dwarf, I looked long and hard at all my enhancements and decided that they weren't being used enough, didn't need all 4 parts of the enhancement line, or were covered by other things and didn't really need it at all.

RS seems and feels like free healing to me.
  
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