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Sep 14th, 2010 at 3:10pm
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This is the character I have (below), a level 20 dorf ftr. I have the encrusted and the shinto tod sets. After I make 2 lit II d axes I was considering TR'g into a 18 barb/2 ftr. I was thinking the 2 ftr for the extra feats. What do you guys think? Should I just go pure barb? I would appreciate the advice.

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Reflex: 12
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Strength             18                    26
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               10                    10
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Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 3:17pm
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If it's a TR you have 2 more build points to spend as this is a 32 not a 34.  What feats were you planning on taking besides the TWF line?

NVM those are your current fighter stats...duh.
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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 3:23pm
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Eladiun wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 3:17pm:
If it's a TR you have 2 more build points to spend as this is a 32 not a 34.  What feats were you planning on taking besides the TWF line?

NVM those are your current fighter stats...duh.


I was thinking instead of having to choose between toughness and stunning blow, I could have both. Maybe the ftr past life feat, but I dont think I would need the +4 to hit for anything.
  

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This is what I am in the middle of, but I decided to go human since my GS weapons are khopeshes, and I wanted the human healing amp.

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Strength           18                27
Dexterity          15                17
Constitution       16                20
Intelligence        8                 8
Wisdom              8                 8
Charisma            8                 8

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Level 2 (Fighter) - Power Attack
Level 3 (Barbarian) - OTWF
Level 6 (Barbarian) - Cleave
Level 8 (Fighter) - ITWF
Level 9 (Barbarian) -  IC: Slash
Level 12 (Barbarian) - GTWF
Level 15 (Barbarian) - Toughness 
Level 18 (Barbarian) - Stunning Blow


If I had Carnifax, I probably would have swapped ITWF and IC: Slash.  Currently, I have some decent lowbie keen khopeshes, so it was worth it to switch to TWF a level earlier.

One annoying thing about the fighter/barb combo is that fighter haste and barb damage boost are on the same cooldown timer.  So, don't count on using them at the same time.  Having the strength enhancement and stunning blow enhancement are nice for my build, though.

FWIW, I'm not 100% sure if I would do it this way if i was staying a barbarian.  I primarily wanted access to the Barbarian past life feat on a future fighter build.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 8:44pm
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i used a 2 rogue/6 fighter/ 12 barb combo to get through those that messy TR.  Soloing was made easy.
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 15th, 2010 at 10:11pm
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zed wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 3:49pm:
This is what I am in the middle of, but I decided to go human since my GS weapons are khopeshes, and I wanted the human healing amp.


If I had Carnifax, I probably would have swapped ITWF and IC: Slash.  Currently, I have some decent lowbie keen khopeshes, so it was worth it to switch to TWF a level earlier.

One annoying thing about the fighter/barb combo is that fighter haste and barb damage boost are on the same cooldown timer.  So, don't count on using them at the same time.  Having the strength enhancement and stunning blow enhancement are nice for my build, though.

FWIW, I'm not 100% sure if I would do it this way if i was staying a barbarian.  I primarily wanted access to the Barbarian past life feat on a future fighter build.


damage boost is hardly worth the effort. if it was not for frenzy, i wouldnt have taken it
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 3:41pm
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If you haven't made the khopeshes yet then why not just go THF and get the Barb capstone and mighty rage?  Or go with DA if you are making another Dorf and forget about the fighter levels.  Seems like a lot to give up just for feats.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 3:45pm
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If you drop toughness how many HP is it? 100 max?

Your barb should have upwards of 700-800 raging anyway. That might be a consideration as well.

IN terms of THF didn't it get a serious nerf recently? All my THF are WF and I haven't bought them yet, so I haven't checked it oot.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 4:28pm
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If you haven't made the khopeshes yet then why not just go THF and get the Barb capstone and mighty rage?  Or go with DA if you are making another Dorf and forget about the fighter levels.  Seems like a lot to give up just for feats.


I think you are confusing my and stainer's posts Smiley He is going dwarf with DA.

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damage boost is hardly worth the effort. if it was not for frenzy, i wouldnt have taken it

Agreed, the value is minimal.  But... when compared to the massive TR investment to make minor improvements to a working build, the half-second to click the damage boost hardly registers.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 10:32pm
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If you haven't made the khopeshes yet then why not just go THF and get the Barb capstone and mighty rage?  Or go with DA if you are making another Dorf and forget about the fighter levels.  Seems like a lot to give up just for feats.

The first tier of fighter haste boost is very powerful, unless they've changed it.

Now that the barb capstone alacrity bonus bug has been removed, I'd guess that the 18/2 and the pure barb are very close in DPS.  I'm not really sure which would be higher.

Edit: I find my barb needs 1 more feat.  Gotta have the THF line, cleave, and power attack.  Toughness isn't really an option in my mind, with the cheap AP booster it's a really nice feat.  A pure barb has to decide between toughness or stunning blow.

Now, as far as the extra feat that remains with an 18/2, I took quick draw.  Not particularly attached to that feat, but I just didn't see anything better.  Switching weapons quickly comes in handy, and I guess it's fun to throw stuff faster.

p.s. Strake is finally a 32-point build!
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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 10:46am
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Strakeln wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 10:32pm:
The first tier of fighter haste boost is very powerful, unless they've changed it.

Now that the barb capstone alacrity bonus bug has been removed, I'd guess that the 18/2 and the pure barb are very close in DPS.  I'm not really sure which would be higher.

Edit: I find my barb needs 1 more feat.  Gotta have the THF line, cleave, and power attack.  Toughness isn't really an option in my mind, with the cheap AP booster it's a really nice feat.  A pure barb has to decide between toughness or stunning blow.

Now, as far as the extra feat that remains with an 18/2, I took quick draw.  Not particularly attached to that feat, but I just didn't see anything better.  Switching weapons quickly comes in handy, and I guess it's fun to throw stuff faster.

p.s. Strake is finally a 32-point build! 


He was pretty dan uber as a 28 pointer, nevermind! Wink

Fighter Haste boost is super nice. Super nice for 1 ap, anyway.

Edit I'm assuming your feat path includes improved critical. Could always just use that feat slot and use your min2 weapon and get a keen weapon out of it.

the min2 is useful in most situations, but where it isn't your dps suffers unless the beastie is immune to crits.
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Reply #11 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 12:47pm
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Regarding changes to Barb, these are the fixes for Update 7 that Modfloyd put into his blog:

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Glancing Blows no longer scale with Base Attack Bonus, and start at a base of 20% weapon damage.

Enhancements and feats that modify the Glancing Blow damage multiplier now function.

The Two Handed Fighting chain has been modified to add 10% to glancing blow weapon damage per tier, and the chance to produce special weapon effects has been increased to 3% per tier.  They no longer grant to-hit bonuses for Glancing Blows.

The Barbarian capstone, “Might”, now correctly grants +10% glancing blow weapon damage and 5% chance to produce special weapon effects in addition to its +2 Strength bonus.  (A half-orc or warforged barbarian with all three THF feats, Great Weapon Aptitude, and Might will have deal 60% weapon damage with their glancing blows, with a 20% chance to produce special weapon effects.)

The Frenzied Berserker and Great Weapon Aptitude enhancements now give full information on their effects on two handed combat.
  
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I'm wondering if I should look at those "fixes" as a buff or a weakening. Undecided

Then again my Barbarian is a Halfling that plans to be a Half-Orc when she grows up.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 4:26pm
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Remember Rogue haste is just as good as Fighter haste.

I prefer 2levels of rogue. Evasion and UmD are the better feats.
  

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Reply #14 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 12:32pm
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So, now that 0.5 Elf and 0.5 Orc have been previewed, are either of them looking attractive to you?

I'm curious, because both have some nice benefits, but I don't see anything that would make me demand either for a TWF Barbarian - especially since you have an extra feat that you will probably want to purchase as a TR.
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 12:46pm
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popejubal wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 12:32pm:
So, now that 0.5 Elf and 0.5 Orc have been previewed, are either of them looking attractive to you?

I'm curious, because both have some nice benefits, but I don't see anything that would make me demand either for a TWF Barbarian - especially since you have an extra feat that you will probably want to purchase as a TR.


I am delaying a TR until I see how all this plays out. Believe it or not I have all 10 of my character slots filled with real characters or projects right now. I have a lvl 5 monk I was going dark path with to try TOD. That seems like a waste now, so I was thinking about a Half Orc something or another.
  

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Gornn wrote on Sep 17th, 2010 at 10:46am:
Edit I'm assuming your feat path includes improved critical. Could always just use that feat slot and use your min2 weapon and get a keen weapon out of it.

You're right, I did forget to include that.  And your suggestion is quite valid - I do tend to use my Min II as my default weapon anyway.  But... the feat is too good to drop, IMO.
  

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stainer wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 12:46pm:
I am delaying a TR until I see how all this plays out. Believe it or not I have all 10 of my character slots filled with real characters or projects right now. I have a lvl 5 monk I was going dark path with to try TOD. That seems like a waste now, so I was thinking about a Half Orc something or another.


Looks like half-orc is going to be way overpowered so caveat emptor on builds that you hope to have any longevity with...  as to the dark monk nerf, 500 untyped damage was absurdly overpowered.  ToD is now about right.  there are however a lot of whiners out there.  I just TRed Tspatula to be basically max wis to go for the shintao PrE but that works for dark too.  sounds like you gimped yours by going for a strength based build?  T
  
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Looks like half-orc is going to be way overpowered so caveat emptor on builds that you hope to have any longevity with...  as to the dark monk nerf, 500 untyped damage was absurdly overpowered.  ToD is now about right.  there are however a lot of whiners out there.  I just TRed Tspatula to be basically max wis to go for the shintao PrE but that works for dark too.  sounds like you gimped yours by going for a strength based build?  T


Yep, I was going str based. Luckily I hadn't invested any tomes yet, so no loss. Smiley

So you think 1/2 Orcs will get nerfed down the road? I was looking at trying a 1/2 orc ftr and then maybe TR'g Dreadler into a 1/2 Orc Barb.
  

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stainer wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 2:25pm:
Yep, I was going str based. Luckily I hadn't invested any tomes yet, so no loss. Smiley

So you think 1/2 Orcs will get nerfed down the road? I was looking at trying a 1/2 orc ftr and then maybe TR'g Dreadler into a 1/2 Orc Barb.


Well, I just saw some posts on lama forums that seemed to indicate that all the str and PA enhancement lines we gonna be very unbalanced.  I would say that halforcs are gonna be a great melee race, just bear in mind that they are likely gonna have some growing pains.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 25th, 2010 at 6:32pm
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It would be fairly foolish at this point to not expect a nerf in the not-too-distant future. Will a nerf happen? Possibly not, but I wouldn't count on it.
  
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I bet the Tukaw build will go half-orc.

I reckon it should try drow first.
  

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