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Oct 8th, 2010 at 9:41am
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I am leveling a Battle Cleric that I plan to LR+1 into a full healbot at lvl 20. So far I have this character over level 6 and I haven't grouped yet. It solos content pretty easily. I wanted you build experts to run it over and let me know if I am missing something. One thing I would change if I was starting over is lowering CON to 17 and using racial con enhancement to get it to an even number. Where I would use those build points, I dun't know.  Smiley I'll post my lr+1 plan at some point for the same look over. Thanks!

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Stainer Downhaven
Level 20 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(1 Fighter \ 19 Cleric)
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 1364
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 6
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)

Strength             16                    18
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         18                    20
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               16                    26
Charisma              6                     8


Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)

Balance               1                    14
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         8                    28
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                  3                    10
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  3                    13
Listen                3                     8
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     3
Spot                  3                     8
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble               n/a                    n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III


  

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Re: Battle Cleric
Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 11:05am
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Not really a Cleric expert especially the Battle kind but with Glancing Blows as still in limbo since Update 5  is the Two Handed Fighting feat worth it for...

decreases the to-hit penalty on glancing blows from -5 to -2, and increases their damage from (normal weapon damage)*modifier to (normal weapon damage + 10) * modifier.

...over say Spell Pen or Heighten.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 11:11am
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You could prolly drop con to 16 and still have a decent HP. I started with 16 con and hit 467 with +6, GFL, Minos, and shroud HP item. As for where you can put them I think it would be a toss up between STR or WIS. Cha at base with +6 will give you about 5 turns for your RS auras.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:41pm
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I like Favored Souls for battle healer builds.  Four toughness enhancements, more spell points on a 1 or 2 level splash than a pure cleric, melee enhancements, build in resists, rocking saves.

But, this looks solid for a battle cleric build.  Keep in mind that you will see your amount of soloing drop off soon here (unless you want to take longer to level) and then your melee will drop off and healing will pick up.  Since you are going to LR it anyways, you can learn what you like and don't like and make adjustments when you get there. 

The big trade off, to me, is between the offensive spells and the melee capability.  You can't do both.  Pick one and do it well.  The healing is a given.  With a couple feats and AP your healing will be indistinguishable from a healbot. 

  
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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 2:18pm
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Drop the smiting enhancements... can be of better use somewhere else, and those aren't really spells you'll be casting a whole lot (if ever).

Do ya really need 10 int to begin with? Having those extra balance points would be somewhat nice I guess.

Lose some Con and max Wisdom... You're blue bar extends your red bar more than effectively for almost anything in the game. Course ya won't be tanking Horoth, but hey its all give and take.

Think about what weapons your gonna use and if its gonna be a Min II greensteel, do you really need the Improved Crit Slashing then?

THF seems like a waste... Spell Pen feats are nice for end game.

Do all that and save your DDO Store points for painting airships... or something else. As you'll be able to heal more than well enough, BB and Cometfall more than well enough, and Melee just fine and dandy.

  
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Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 3:11pm
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Thanks for all the good feedback. I will drop THF and imp. crit.
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:15am
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Please do not drop IMP crit. Drop THF, keep IMP crit. Drop CON from 18 to 16, and put the remaining points into Charisma. (Do not forget charisma effects the amount of auras/bursts you will carry). And I do hope you're aiming to pick up aura (I presume you are considering your enhancement line).
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:16am
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Milton wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 2:18pm:
Drop the smiting enhancements... can be of better use somewhere else, and those aren't really spells you'll be casting a whole lot (if ever).

Do ya really need 10 int to begin with? Having those extra balance points would be somewhat nice I guess.

Lose some Con and max Wisdom... You're blue bar extends your red bar more than effectively for almost anything in the game. Course ya won't be tanking Horoth, but hey its all give and take.

Think about what weapons your gonna use and if its gonna be a Min II greensteel, do you really need the Improved Crit Slashing then?

THF seems like a waste... Spell Pen feats are nice for end game.

Do all that and save your DDO Store points for painting airships... or something else. As you'll be able to heal more than well enough, BB and Cometfall more than well enough, and Melee just fine and dandy.



THF seems like a waste... Spell Pen feats are nice for end game.

Just from him saying the above I would negate any further advice from him  Embarrassed

Spell Pen...as a feat...on your DWARF BATTLE CLERIC??? I'll give you a minute to absorb that and dismiss it from your memory.

Also, I believe a well-build battle-cleric could, in fact, tank horoth. As far as well...ehemm...your "blue bar" goes, keep in mind you can get a torc with some farming, as well as a conc opp. And you have dwarven faith enhancements as well...
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Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:20am
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Asheras wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:41pm:


The big trade off, to me, is between the offensive spells and the melee capability.  You can't do both.  Pick one and do it well.  The healing is a given.  With a couple feats and AP your healing will be indistinguishable from a healbot. 



You certainly can do both. Maybe the DC on your destruction won't be worth a rat's hat, but even a dumped Wisdom blade barrier is going to hit anything without evasion. And when tagged with empower/maximize/9% critter your going to to damage regardless.

As far as the FvS comment goes, well it's personal preference really. The big difference is aura + burst vs wings and some more SP.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:06am
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TheCube wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 3:20am:
You certainly can do both. Maybe the DC on your destruction won't be worth a rat's hat, but even a dumped Wisdom blade barrier is going to hit anything without evasion. And when tagged with empower/maximize/9% critter your going to to damage regardless.

As far as the FvS comment goes, well it's personal preference really. The big difference is aura + burst vs wings and some more SP.

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Silly me, I did not notice you went 19/1...not sure why you would do that. You gain nothing from 19 cleric other than a bit better DC (which you'll have to dump to be a good battle cleric) and a few more SP. Go 18/2, it's cleaner, and you'll have an additional feat.
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:13am
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TheCube wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:12am:
Silly me, I did not notice you went 19/1...not sure why you would do that. You gain nothing from 19 cleric other than a bit better DC (which you'll have to dump to be a good battle cleric) and a few more SP. Go 18/2, it's cleaner, and you'll have an additional feat.

Silly you, you did not know that I Lr'd into a pure cleric. GFY.
  

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stainer wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 9:41am:
I wanted you build experts to run it over and let me know if I am missing something.




Please stop nerd-raging. Just trying to help you out. In the case of a full 20, since you won't have the additional feat...

1: Toughness
3: Power Attack
6:Empower Healing
9:Quiken
12:Extend
15: Improved Crit Slash
18: Empower Spell perhaps? Or maximize
(not necessarily in that order)

You could, also consider getting just a MinII axe and dropping I-crit slash if that's all you're going to be using.
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TheCube wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:20am:
Please stop nerd-raging. Just trying to help you out. In the case of a full 20, since you won't have the additional feat...

1: Toughness
3: Power Attack
6:Empower Healing
9:Quiken
12:Extend
15: Improved Crit Slash
18: Empower Spell perhaps?
(not necessarily in that order)

You could, also consider getting just a MinII axe and dropping I-crit slash if that's all you're going to be using.


Uh, really. Wow. Thanks. The thread is a month old. Thanks for being johnny on the spot.  Please good lord read this thread.
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1283435730
  

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stainer wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:22am:
Uh, really. Wow. Thanks. The thread is a month old. Thanks for being johnny on the spot.  Please good lord read this thread.
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1283435730


Well I still hope you didn't take THF as it would be a wasted feat. Please stop linking me to useless flaming threads you made.  Embarrassed
  

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Since you didn't like the thread I linked, you will need this one.

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1288717125
  

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stainer wrote on Nov 10th, 2010 at 11:31am:
Since you didn't like the thread I linked, you will need this one.

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1288717125

No thanks
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:33am
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Update. I scrapped the battle cleric stuff and am a pure level 20 cleric. I am sitting at 1948 sp (conc op item, no archmage) and 410 hp (no hp cloak or +2 con tome). I could add exceptional +2 wis on my ToD ring for a little more sp, but I haven't yet.

Are these stats looking ok? I am a lot more comfortable healing now and no longer say "You all are going to die" when I join a party. Smiley
  

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Reply #18 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:41am
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I think your SP total is fine and your HP total is also fine.
  

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I think your SP total is fine and your HP total is also fine.


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Reply #20 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 8:03pm
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Your Hp and Sp are fine Stainer. Cru is sitting at 450 and 2048 respectively with no greensteel hp or sp item if that helps put things in perspective for you. You are a fine healer young padawan. Grin
  

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stainer wrote on Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:46am:
Thanks!

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Put that +2 exc wis on a TOD ring and knock out Amrath on elite for the Yugo pots, extra +2 DC to your blades is nice.
  

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Alekx wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 11:30am:
Put that +2 exc wis on a TOD ring and knock out Amrath on elite for the Yugo pots, extra +2 DC to your blades is nice.


Yah. I am having trouble focusing on all my characters right now. I am just going for completions on Greenis so I can TR him (my first TR). I have a sorc that needs help, this cleric, a couple of lowbies I am working on and my other characters. Now I have to fit in the time to get yugo pots. Smiley Having a job is interfering.
  

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Alekx wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 11:30am:
Put that +2 exc wis on a TOD ring and knock out Amrath on elite for the Yugo pots, extra +2 DC to your blades is nice.


I didn't go that route I made a Greensteel Weapon with plus 9 Wis on it and put greater devotion 8 on my ToD ring. I mean as a cleric I am rarely swinging the damn things and that plus 9 to wis at lvl 12 was sweet when I TR'ed him.
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Re: Battle Cleric
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stainer wrote on Dec 13th, 2010 at 9:33am:
Update. I scrapped the battle cleric stuff and am a pure level 20 cleric. I am sitting at 1948 sp (conc op item, no archmage) and 410 hp (no hp cloak or +2 con tome). I could add exceptional +2 wis on my ToD ring for a little more sp, but I haven't yet.

Are these stats looking ok? I am a lot more comfortable healing now and no longer say "You all are going to die" when I join a party. Smiley


Sp looks fine... you can supplement your sp with sp regenning items, so that's not a big deal at all.

HP looks like alot... what did you start off with in CON?

Also, what's your strength at?
  
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