here's the plan
12 wiz/ 6 cleric/ 2 monk
Lawful Good WF
Strength           14 base + 2 stance + 6 items + 2 tome = 24 (+7) + 2 rage + 4 transformation = 30 (+10)
Dexterity          15 base + 6 item + 3 tome = 24 (+7)
Constitution       14 base + 2 tome + 6 item + 2 enhancement = 24 (+7)
Intelligence       15 base + 5 lvl + 2 tome + 2 enhancement + 6 item = 30 (+10)
Wisdom             12 base + 6 item + 2 enhancement + 2 tome - 2 stance = 20 (+5)
Charisma            6

AC:
10 base
7 dex
5 wis
5 docent
2 composite
2 reinforced
5 protection
4 shield bonus
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40
3 barkskin potion
1 haste
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44 self buffed


HP:
20 base
48 lvl 6 cleric
16 lvl 2 monk
48 lvl 12 wizard
140 con bonus
22 toughness feat
20 toughness enhancement
10 Pale Master II
10 Dragonic Vitality
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334
20 rage
30 greater false life
40 lich form
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424

saves:
4/ 4/ 8  12 wizard
3/ 3/ 3   2 monk
5/ 2/ 5   6 cleric
7/10/ 5   abilities
4/ 4/ 4   Greater Heroism
2/ 2/ 2   Head of Good Fortune
5/ 5/ 5   Resistance item
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30/28/32

7 General Feats; empower, maximize, empower healing, Heighten, Quicken, Augment Summoning,  Mental Toughness
3 Wizard Feats: Spell Focus/Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy, Extend
2 Monk feats: Toughness, TwF

seems like i'm missing out on something to add on there
also how do you guys think i should arrange my class lvl'ing?
and of course, is it worth getting just TwF if iTwF or gTwF aren't going to be picked up?

Breaken wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 6:49pm:


I was wondering where empowered healing came in... I do not know why he's not just listed feats by level - he's extend twice (once under cleric and again under wizard)

This is a Pale master (a Necromancer) btw and I'm thinking he's looking for high potency on inflict etc...

stainer wrote on Nov 1^st, 2010 at 7:13pm:

Looks to me he's planning on a Necromancer with high potency in casting such spells (and can melee) - by product is high self sufficiency in both recon and inflict... monk is his reflex/evasion/toughness and of course melee - looks like he's thinking wraps (twf to help boost this some)

Not many think about such but are a smattering of necro spells in the divine caster - possibly as many as  in the arcane?

u want more hp. add a little more cuminseed, tumeric and some mix herbs and u have plently of flavor

Interesting build. Not completely gimped, you can take that as a compliment. Feats? Are you planning on hitting things? If so you'll have to take full line of twf feats, or miss 80% of the time

Maybe just thf?

Good thinking on the build, but I think you'd be happier with the more common 16/2/2 wiz/ftr/rog battle caster in the end. Kudos on trying to be creative though 

- Jay wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 1:05am:


TWF is based on the feats now.  You really need them all if you want it to be viable.  If you are not going to grab all three, go THF.

- Jay wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 5:35pm:



Sure there is. You have extend listed twice and you are taking toughness twice

drop empower healing

but your build is still gimpmaxxed

- Jay wrote on Nov 11^th, 2010 at 5:35pm:


Then go THF.

Pro's:

-You can hit stuff.
-You can do DPS.
-You can take full advantage of power attack.
-You will be fully self sufficient.

Cons:

-You will suck at dual wielding.
-You will be more effective in melee
-You will actually take the feat power attack in your build setup as a melee.


All in all, I think the Pros outweigh the Cons.

Antir wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 6:55am:


I still dont understand what radiant servant is for...

Self sufficient WF caster/melee? Sure, seen it done and works great.  Lich mixed with radiant servant... 

He seems adamant about it though.

- Jay wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:



OK, let me give you a hand here...  this is a forum mostly populated with elitist min/maxers.  Flavor builds are like kryptonite.  Flavor generally means useless in any party and high end content so I expect you to pike my ass through.  If you are looking for validation that your idea is good, you are in the wrong  forums.

you know what... fuck this...
i figured i'd get helpful info from min/max people since they "should" know the answers, but it seems like unless it's a min/max build, you won't get the answers you seek
screw this, close thread >=(

- Jay wrote on Nov 12^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:


How should someone even answer that question?  The min/maxer says, "TWF is worthless without GTWF because there are much better options than TWF without GTWF."  The flavorist says "but I don't care about min/maxing, I just want to know if it's worthwhile!"

Worthwhile how?  It's 20% better.  It's 20% more worthwhile.  Nobody can really give you an answer better than that.  If, in your "flavorful" approach you deem that you can live without the 20%, then it's not worthwhile.  If you decide you suck too much without it, then it is worthwhile.