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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Insightful Reflexes Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 9:46am	Print Post
	Insightful Reflexes, on a non-evasion wizard. Discuss.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #1 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 9:57am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 9:46am: Insightful Reflexes, on a non-evasion wizard.� Discuss. No.

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Zippo Hooters Offline Ooooh what's this button do? Posts: 3903 Location: not hell but it's a local call Joined: Apr 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #2 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 9:58am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 9:46am: Insightful Reflexes, on a non-evasion wizard.� Discuss. Seems a bit specious doesn't it? I mean I suppose it can help but the margin of what it would help would be minimal without evasion.


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #3 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 10:10am	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 9:57am: No. So, I suppose it could be useful if you're worried about things like Web and Grease, but those can be nullified through other means.� That leaves the damage-reducing aspect of Reflex saves about the only good thing you would get from it.� Sure, you can increase your save from +15 to +28 or so, which means that you're avoiding 50% of the damage an extra 65% of the time (ignoring 20's and 1's and being outside the range where rolls matter), which means you avoid an extra 30% or so of damage from reflex-based spells.� That can be handy in a few spots, but Wizards already have a LOT of things they want to spend feats on, and Toughness takes higher priority for survivability, which means IR gets left behind.
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Antir Shroud Slacker Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 1297 Joined: Jul 1^st, 2009 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #4 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	It is nice to have in some pretty important places in the game and 1 extra toughness feat would not make a difference in those situations.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #5 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Antir wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 4:23pm: It is nice to have in some pretty important places in the game and 1 extra toughness feat would not make a difference in those situations. Even for a non-evasion wizard? Where are you thinking of?

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Asketes Puppy Farmer Offline Perma Posts: 1371 Location: California Joined: Aug 16^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #6 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	didn't I already tellz you in teamspeak no? IF you had evasion = Yes Let me ask you this, can you give us a rough estimate of what you can get as a relfex save with this? 40 int = what, 15 to your reflex saves 20 wiz = 6 GH = 4 resistance 5 = 5 crafted = 1 31-36 in case I missed something. so you have a moderately high chance at taking half damage for shroud and non-epic,non-elites. it's ALWAYS up to you brother. Just because I don't think something is useful, don't mean it ain't. (hehe like the wording there?)


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Antir Shroud Slacker Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 1297 Joined: Jul 1^st, 2009 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #7 - Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 4:52pm: Even for a non-evasion wizard?� Where are you thinking of? Lots of places with fire stuff and some places with traps. Antir tends to run off and find places to die because he gets tired of waiting for people to a) get to the quest and b) waste time on buffs and box-breaking. But i generally dont die because of fire stuff or traps. I am always happiest when in group with a Sorcerer, Antir is still standing and the Sorc is dead simply because of a good reflex save. I am not saying it is a must have but i do find it useful and i have all the feats i really need. Stacking damage mitigation is never a bad thing.

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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #8 - Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 9:53am	Print Post
	Antir wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 4:23pm: It is nice to have in some pretty important places in the game and 1 extra toughness feat would not make a difference in those situations. This is pretty much how I felt about it.� Making the reflex save against spells in those situations is the difference between being alive and being dead. Asketes wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2010 at 5:50pm: didn't I already tellz you in teamspeak no? IF you had evasion = Yes Let me ask you this, can you give us a rough estimate of what you can get as a relfex save with this? 40 int = what, 15 to your reflex saves 20 wiz = 6 GH = 4 resistance 5 = 5 crafted = 1 31-36 in case I missed something. so you have a moderately high chance at taking half damage for shroud and non-epic,non-elites. 31-36 is about right.� Raid buffed is at the higher end. Actually someone else asked on TS but it got me thinking because I do have the feat on my Wizzy.� I heard your opinion and now I'm asking the brains of DDO.� Seriously though just looking for a wider perspective.� My Wizzy (Archmage - Conjuration/Enchantment) has... Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment Feat: Toughness So what else would I take... a SF:Necro or SF: Trans ...if I TR (which I plan on doing at some point) I would dump it for wizzy past life but short of that I'm not sold on anything else.
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	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #9 - Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 10:16am	Print Post
	I really like Insightful Reflexes on any character with a low dex and a shockingly high Int. Unfortunately, I also like a lot of other feats as well. I'd take Insightful Reflexes over a second Toughness, but I have a feeling that I'd end up taking a lot of other feats before either of them anyway. 13 feats sounds like a lot, but they get used up fast.

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Asketes Puppy Farmer Offline Perma Posts: 1371 Location: California Joined: Aug 16^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #10 - Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 9:53am: ........ and now I'm asking the brains of DDO.� uh, scratches head.... Did I miss something here? The brains? .. of DDO? ... HERE?


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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #11 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:08am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2010 at 9:53am: This is pretty much how I felt about it.� Making the reflex save against spells in those situations is the difference between being alive and being dead. 31-36 is about right.� Raid buffed is at the higher end. Actually someone else asked on TS but it got me thinking because I do have the feat on my Wizzy.� I heard your opinion and now I'm asking the brains of DDO.� Seriously though just looking for a wider perspective.� My Wizzy (Archmage - Conjuration/Enchantment) has... Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment Feat: Toughness So what else would I take... a SF:Necro or SF: Trans ...if I TR (which I plan on doing at some point) I would dump it for wizzy past life but short of that I'm not sold on anything else. I have it on my gimpy witch and it does amke the difference between her being dead or alive in quite a few situations... It's not a WF so not a very good at self healing at the moment has failure with heal scrolls. i.e. every fireball tossed which blindsides her, bastion elite or epic DQ� the BB's she at least stands a chance to mitigate some. It's not a must have but it does have merit.
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Milton Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 746 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2010	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #12 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	A decent chance to reduce the damage you take, from a good portion of the hardest hitting spells in the hardest quests in the game, BY HALF... Question is why wouldn't you take it? Throw in resists, protections, and absorptions spells AND items... and those places that regularily cause party wipes, will result in you being the only one alive and shrugging off whatever spells are being thrown your way. Got a raise dead clickie? And you'll have done it without the easy button of splashing two rogue or two monk.


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shagath Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2010	Re: Insightful Reflexes Reply #13 - Dec 3^rd, 2010 at 10:37am	Print Post
	I play pale master wizard now and taking care of my own healing, I do like taking half dmg from reflex save spells. I say yes! Elite SoS or Epic VON6 lightning base anyone?
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