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Reply #25 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 11:46am
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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 10:59am:
I agree. Undocumented changes surprise me though. With Air Elles able to "put out" fw, it makes me wonder what else will be a surprise. They seem to messing with that spell a lot lately.



Yeah, FW is a spell that keeps getting messed with.  I think it comes down to how often people cry about it on the forums.  Rather than making the other specs more useful, they just keep nerfing  FW.
  

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Reply #26 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:26pm
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you know what they need to nerf ? Mordenkainen's disjunction. That shit is way too fucking overpowered.

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you know what they need to nerf ? Mordenkainen's disjunction. That shit is way too fucking overpowered.

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Turbine, why did you yet again nerf Wall of Fire without documenting it in the release notes?

As of Update 8, Air Elementals can *put out* walls of fire.  I'm not saying they're immune, I'm saying they can *put them out*, as in, dispel them.

If Air Elementals were immune to fire, that would be one thing.  At least, if there was a mix of Air Elementals and other monsters, I could use Wall of Fire to kill the other monsters. But this is worse than immunity to fire. The Air Elementals put the wall of fire OUT.

This shows a clear lack of understanding about Dungeons and Dragons.  A Wall of Fire is not mundane, normal fire which can be "blown" out with wind.  The Wizard or Sorc is channeling the Elemental Plane of Fire directly into the Prime Material plane.  This is MAGICAL FIRE.  You can't just blow wind on it and blow it out.  The magical fire doesn't rely on oxygen, its MAGICAL.

And if you don't like having the rules of D&D quoted at you, how about this: its an undocumented nerf which further erodes the balance of DDO making casters ever more USELESS as a class, relegating them to the role of buff/haste bots, which is useless because Bards can do that better anyway.  The only value to a caster is that they can go beyond buffs, and have DPS.  When you consistently remove the DPS from casters, you're effectively removing casters from DDO.

Please un-nerf Wall of Fire by preventing Air Elementals from dispelling them.
  
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Turbine, why did you yet again nerf Wall of Fire without documenting it in the release notes?

As of Update 8, Air Elementals can *put out* walls of fire.  I'm not saying they're immune, I'm saying they can *put them out*, as in, dispel them.

If Air Elementals were immune to fire, that would be one thing.  At least, if there was a mix of Air Elementals and other monsters, I could use Wall of Fire to kill the other monsters. But this is worse than immunity to fire. The Air Elementals put the wall of fire OUT.

This shows a clear lack of understanding about Dungeons and Dragons.  A Wall of Fire is not mundane, normal fire which can be "blown" out with wind.  The Wizard or Sorc is channeling the Elemental Plane of Fire directly into the Prime Material plane.  This is MAGICAL FIRE.  You can't just blow wind on it and blow it out.  The magical fire doesn't rely on oxygen, its MAGICAL.

And if you don't like having the rules of D&D quoted at you, how about this: its an undocumented nerf which further erodes the balance of DDO making casters ever more USELESS as a class, relegating them to the role of buff/haste bots, which is useless because Bards can do that better anyway.  The only value to a caster is that they can go beyond buffs, and have DPS.  When you consistently remove the DPS from casters, you're effectively removing casters from DDO.

Please un-nerf Wall of Fire by preventing Air Elementals from dispelling them.



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Reply #30 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:54pm
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Turbine, why did you yet again nerf Wall of Fire without documenting it in the release notes?

As of Update 8, Air Elementals can *put out* walls of fire.  I'm not saying they're immune, I'm saying they can *put them out*, as in, dispel them.

If Air Elementals were immune to fire, that would be one thing.  At least, if there was a mix of Air Elementals and other monsters, I could use Wall of Fire to kill the other monsters. But this is worse than immunity to fire. The Air Elementals put the wall of fire OUT.

This shows a clear lack of understanding about Dungeons and Dragons.  A Wall of Fire is not mundane, normal fire which can be "blown" out with wind.  The Wizard or Sorc is channeling the Elemental Plane of Fire directly into the Prime Material plane.  This is MAGICAL FIRE.  You can't just blow wind on it and blow it out.  The magical fire doesn't rely on oxygen, its MAGICAL.

And if you don't like having the rules of D&D quoted at you, how about this: its an undocumented nerf which further erodes the balance of DDO making casters ever more USELESS as a class, relegating them to the role of buff/haste bots, which is useless because Bards can do that better anyway.  The only value to a caster is that they can go beyond buffs, and have DPS.  When you consistently remove the DPS from casters, you're effectively removing casters from DDO.

Please un-nerf Wall of Fire by preventing Air Elementals from dispelling them.



I would but...

1) I don't think it's that big a deal.  I mean how many places are air ellies prevalent..use another spell.  Stop relying on WoF.

2) I think these rants are fucking silly.

3) I'm happy you are banned because I was fucking sick of reading your posts like this one.

4) I don't think my casters is having any issue keeping up with the jones'.
  

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Reply #31 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 1:05pm
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Eladiun wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:54pm:
1) I don't think it's that big a deal.
2) I think these rants are fucking silly.
3) I'm happy you are banned because I was fucking sick of reading your posts like this one.
4) I don't think my casters is having any issue keeping up with the jones'.


Well, that could be because you're a doosh with no critical thinking skills.
  
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Well, that could be because you're a doosh with no critical thinking skills.



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Reply #33 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:01pm
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I hate to burst at least part of everyones whiney bubbles but Air eles have been able to put out firewalls since at least update 7. I know this because ive been using the air ele summon constantly for CC. The air ele can also add a 10 or 15 second slow effect to hostiles and friendlies.
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:03pm
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Zaodan wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 1:05pm:
Well, that could be because you're a doosh with no critical thinking skills.


Critical Thinking...  how about you critically think away from your easy button?

How about Banishing or Dismissing the Elies first?  Maybe Finger or PK or  Flesh to Stone.  Use your fucking head for more than whining about losing your easy button you fucking noob.

I hate to break it to ya but DDO isn't D&D.  It's an MMO based loosely on the D&D universe.  Any similarities to P&P are purely coincidental and the developers are working daily to remove those.

Go stick your dick in a Wall of Fire and save the gene pool from your stupidity.
  

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Eladiun wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:03pm:
Critical Thinking...  how about you critically think away from your easy button?

How about Banishing or Dismissing the Elies first?  Maybe Finger or PK or  Flesh to Stone.  Use your fucking head for more than whining about losing your easy button you fucking noob.

I hate to break it to ya but DDO isn't D&D.  It's an MMO based loosely on the D&D universe.  Any similarities to P&P are purely coincidental and the developers are working daily to remove those.

Go stick your dick in a Wall of Fire and save the gene pool from your stupidity.


Thank you for the clear demonstration of your lack of critical thinking skills.

To improve on it, you might wish to Google "slippery slope" and "precedent", and also "game balance", as it seems these terms are unknown to you.
  
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Reply #36 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:33pm
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Combat Wombat wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:01pm:
I hate to burst at least part of everyones whiney bubbles but Air eles have been able to put out firewalls since at least update 7. I know this because ive been using the air ele summon constantly for CC. The air ele can also add a 10 or 15 second slow effect to hostiles and friendlies.


I just started noticing the slow effect this update. I never noticed my wof getting put out before either. I am oblivious to a lot of things though.
  

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Reply #37 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:34pm
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Eladiun wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:03pm:
Critical Thinking...  how about you critically think away from your easy button?

How about Banishing or Dismissing the Elies first?  Maybe Finger or PK or  Flesh to Stone.  Use your fucking head for more than whining about losing your easy button you fucking noob.

I hate to break it to ya but DDO isn't D&D.  It's an MMO based loosely on the D&D universe.  Any similarities to P&P are purely coincidental and the developers are working daily to remove those.

Go stick your dick in a Wall of Fire and save the gene pool from your stupidity.


Unless there is a past issue I am missing, this seems a little over the top.
  

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Reply #38 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:47pm
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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:34pm:
Unless there is a past issue I am missing, this seems a little over the top.



Yes...but I'm in a mood and I have wanted to reply to his constant posts of this nature on the other site in this manner for a while.  Him and his ilk always quoting the fucking SRD and whining like the world has ended because they have no clue how to effectively play a caster w/o WoF.

(and Alexk kinda egged me on...)   Cheesy

Zaodan wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:33pm:
Thank you for the clear demonstration of your lack of critical thinking skills.

To improve on it, you might wish to Google "slippery slope" and "precedent", and also "game balance", as it seems these terms are unknown to you.


What slippery slope?  That monsters are finally doing something smarter than standing in a giant wall of flames.  I mean seriously are you so inept that you can't figure anything out past stand in fire watch ticks count off. 

Game Balance?  We have characters with near double the Strength of Elder Red Dragons and casters with nigh unlimited SP pools, for christ sakes.  So, now you have to think and use a tactics against Air Elementals.  A little fucking challenge added to the mid-game, boo fucking who.  What is Reaver's Fate too hard for your gimp toons?

Precedent?  I'm not even gonna bother the precedent that this is not D&D was set so long ago you would have to have your head so far up your ass that you can lick your own tonsils not to see it.

Zaodan wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:39pm:
I'm banned from the ddo forums, so someone please copy/paste this over there, preferably in its own thread.


If you're banned over there, how the fuck is this thread there?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=291814

You stupid and a liar?
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Reply #39 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:57pm
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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 10:59am:
I agree. Undocumented changes surprise me though. With Air Elles able to "put out" fw, it makes me wonder what else will be a surprise. They seem to messing with that spell a lot lately.



I quoted myself here for a reason.

This is the actual place set aside, by Strakeln, for ddo specific discussion. This thread is talking about U8 release notes. WTF happened? Can we not have a civil discussion anywhere?
  

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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:33pm:
I just started noticing the slow effect this update. I never noticed my wof getting put out before either. I am oblivious to a lot of things though.


Apparently, they can "blow away" a dance ball too... and sleet storm, Ice storm and others can blow out a FW... fun stuff =)
  
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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 2:57pm:
I quoted myself here for a reason.

This is the actual place set aside, by Strakeln, for ddo specific discussion. This thread is talking about U8 release notes. WTF happened? Can we not have a civil discussion anywhere?



I'm to lazy to find the quotes...but there is no Drama Free zone and there is no such thing as on topic or derailing a topic on the Vault.  You of all people should know that.
  

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Eladiun wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
I'm to lazy to find the quotes...but there is no Drama Free zone and there is no such thing as on topic or derailing a topic on the Vault.  You of all people should know that.


I agree, but you are being an ass, just to be an ass. I am trying to tell you this in the nicest way possible.
  

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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 10:59am:
Undocumented changes surprise me though.



I guess I'm rather immune to this after all these years.  It's just business as usual for every 2 documented changes there is one undocumented.  I'm sure this went in something like this...

Dev 1:  I created this cool new gust of wind spell check it out.
Dev 2: Sweet... You know what would be cool adding this effect to Air Elies so they will be more like you know Air Elies and not cyclones of easy kill.
Dev 1:  Great Idea, lets ask Freddy.
Freddy:  Do it.

(Obv.  Not a dev but they probably saw it as a cool little thing to add rather than a nerf and just didn't think it need to be release noted or it wasn't passed on properly.  I don't see it as a stealth nerf.)


...Air Elies do not have their true Whirlwind Attack as defined in the SRD to me this is a nice little replacement that makes a couple easy button quest/encounters better.  I wish they would bring back the full on knock down as well but that will never happen.
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stainer wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 3:02pm:
I agree, but you are being an ass, just to be an ass. I am trying to tell you this in the nicest way possible.


Meh, we all have our buttons...SRD nerf whines over things that aren't nerfs is one of mine.  Crying  woe is me my caster sucks is another.  I started nice.

Eladiun wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 12:54pm:
I would but...

1) I don't think it's that big a deal.  I mean how many places are air ellies prevalent..use another spell.  Stop relying on WoF.

2) I think these rants are fucking silly.

3) I'm happy you are banned because I was fucking sick of reading your posts like this one.

4) I don't think my casters is having any issue keeping up with the jones'.


It escalated.
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Game Balance?  We have characters with near double the Strength of Elder Red Dragons and casters with nigh unlimited SP pools, for christ sakes. 




This. As far as I am concerned, strictly thinking in terms of the D&D ruleset, DDO has created extremely over-powered characters with complete disregard to the actual content that is available. I had an old DM do something similar to a Dragonlance campaign, he let us become over-powered and the rules simply broke.
  

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Alekx wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 3:42pm:
This. As far as I am concerned, strictly thinking in terms of the D&D ruleset, DDO has created extremely over-powered characters with complete disregard to the actual content that is available. I had an old DM do something similar to a Dragonlance campaign, he let us become over-powered and the rules simply broke.

Has anyone tried this gust of wind against a red named?
  

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If you're banned over there, how the fuck is this thread there?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=291814

You stupid and a liar?


Apparently you also have a reading problem:

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Your account has a 2006 join date. Now you have confused me.
  

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stainer wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 10:56am:
Zaodan wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 10:50am:
Apparently you also have a reading problem:



Your account has a 2006 join date. Now you have confused me.


And it show 600+ posts and it's the exact same name you are using here...so I guess I have to choose liar by default.
  

Nevynn wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:38pm:
Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment.


Calvet wrote on Oct 20th, 2011 at 12:18pm:
I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.  I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all.


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Eladiun is an awful person
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