Reading the other forums, they keep saying pally's should go for a ridiculous charisma.  I'm starting to look at Inkblack's 4th life, and trying to plan a TWF paladin.  The problem is the same for every pally -- where the hell do I put build points?

The pally boards on the other forum say to max charisma for diving might and pick up the +8 damage.  This is what I came up with, but a 12 con is just painful.  I've got the hp gear to (GS, Minos, level 9 GFL, etc.) to try to make up for it, but it's an awful lot to make up.

Any thoughts?

Inkblack
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(20 Paladin)
Hit Points: 477 = 322 Planner + 45 shroud + 20 minos + 30 GFL + 60 Con Item
Spell Points: 235

BAB: 20/20/25/3030
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 16
Will: 11

Abilities (32 Point)
Str: 30 = 16 base + 5 level up + 2 tome + 7 item
Dex: 18 = 16 base + 2 tome
Con: 20 = 12 base + 2 tome + 6 item
Int: 12 = 10 base + 2 tome
Wis: 16 = 8 base + 2 tome + 6 item
Cha: 26 = 18 base + 2 tome + 6 item

Skills
Jump
Tumble
Balance (after tome at level 7)

Feats
Past Life: Fighter
Past Life: Rogue
Past Life: Wizard
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Two Weapon Fighting
Toughness
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Power Attack
Extend Spell

Enhancements
Paladin Weapons of Good
Drow Melee Attack II
Drow Melee Damage II
Improved Spell Resistance I
Unyielding Sovereignty
Follower of the Sovereign Host
Paladin Item Defense I
Paladin Divine Sacrifice III
Paladin Exalted Smite II
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
Racial Toughness II
Paladin Toughness II
Paladin Divine Might IV
Paladin Extra Turning III
Paladin Improved Turning III

I'd probably spec out of Hunter of the Dead when I get to the Shroud, and go KotC.  I just like the extra Divine Might clickies (turn attempts).

Human with khops. Anything else means you're losing way too much dps.

Gunga wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:45pm:

How so?  Using rapiers and picking up the racial enhancement line was part of the plan, although I didn't spell it out. 

I tried working with a human version, but the build points screwed me.  The +2 to charisma on a drow just made that 18 so much cheaper I could build up some other stuff, notably dex for the TWF w/o sacrificing strength.  I'll check it out again, and see what I'd have to give up.

EDIT:
Ok, I'd lower my dex and strength by 1 base, but I'd pick them back up with the two adaptability enhancements.  Int lower by two, but the extra human skill point makes up for that.  Extra feat grants Khopesh.  Lose drow bonuses, but I probably won't be grabbing a shuriken anytime soon.

I'll look at it some more.

EDIT 2:
Major issue would be feat order.  I'd be unable to qualify for Imp. TWF until level 7 with a +2 tome, which means I'd have to pull a throw away in a lot earlier and delay taking the good ones.

Flint wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:58pm:


If you aren't staying 20 pali, than why go any more than 11?

Inkblack wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:59pm:


If you do not HAVE to be pure, 2 Monk splash not only nets you Evasion and 2 bonus feats but they get Shuriken FOR FREE!  Ya, you miss out on the Capstone but really, what weapon would you be using at end game where you would need the PG ability that you would not have using Holy Sword, Min 2 or Lit 2?

2 Ftr also fits nicely but you really seemed enamored by the Shuriken use so I'll drop the subject.

Hmm, I'll have to look for Riott's halfling thrower build.  I'm sure it's on our guild website somewhere...  I'm sure it's still just as valid now as it was then...

no, No, NO! 

Flint wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:25pm:


Meh. If you aren't staying at 20 pali, than a 12/6/2 build of any variety, as long as it's human with khops, will be easier to play and more dps than a 19 pure pali drow with raps.

Flint wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:37pm:


Forget it. If you have the raps made, go ahead and stay with it.

Although, even rogues do more damgage with khops...might want to start crafting them anyway, depending on what your final TR is.

Yes, I will be TR'ing.  I may hang out there for a little bit to get to 20 shrouds or something, but most likely I'll be TR'ing pretty quick.

Your point about DM IV is a good one.

I think where most people fuck up when they go pally is they dont focus on what their overall goal is. Do you want to be dps?Hate tank?Support/healer? The main thing is its hard to do it all, on my pally Fortyounce i just focused on making him a hatetank, Went high strgth and con low cha and wis, no i cant get the max rank in dm but i have 620hp and great hate without having to focus all my gear towards it.

Hordo wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 8:57am:


I see a large lag spike on Khyber....

Yes Hordo's ego just kicked in again 

Inkblack wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 2:56pm:


Gotta go 20 than, and khopeshes make a lot more dps. There's definately a link I'll try to find.

Due to the fact that Paladin dps is heavily reliant on crits the khopesh only out performs rapier by about 3-5% assuming you hit on a five or more, however khopesh performance drops drasticly the worse your to-hit. Either rapier or khopesh is a good choice for paladin, and the dps difference is minimal. Whoever says khopesh is the best weapon for a paladin is correct however the difference is so marginal it really doesn't matter. Pick whichever you prefer.