I wonder if they carry over after TR?

stainer wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 3:06pm:

If they do I will probably buy 6. I'll hate myself for it, but I'll probably still do it.

I think this just confirms what InkBlack said about +5 tomes.

Now that we have crafting ingredients and +3 tomes in the store, coming up soon - event ingredients and plat.

No wonder Turbine works so hard to eliminate plat sellers. They hate competition.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 3:24pm:


Honestly, when you can buy +2 tomes in the store and greater essences in the store and use those for your character and sell the unbound ones you acquire in game for plat is that any different than turbine directly offering plat in the store?

Tobril wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:


Well we can't all make honorary austraillian money you know   

Eladiun wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:

How much of their play time is in epics? Some grind them, some are busy TRing instead, or leveling alts.

Eladiun wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 3:35pm:

All MMOs are just a hamster wheel. I don't think Turbine has put much thought into whether their actions might knock the hamster wheel off balance, or put a hole into it. The hamsters might escape.

Easy buttons can make the game boring. Once I buy a Torc, then I buy eLoB gear, then maybe I'll get bored and quit sooner than I might have otherwise. Or will I be so happy to have avoided a frustrating grind that I stick around to buy druid when it gets released in 2050? Hard to say.

Buying +3 tomes is going to cut the number of pugs for raids like Reaver's. If people could buy even more epic or raid gear, then what? Off to SWTOR (unlikely for me, but the upcoming 38 Studios games are an option)? Turbine makes some ill-advised store decisions, and I doubt that they bring in experts in psychology and behaviour. They just throw stuff at the (offer) wall and see if it sticks.

Soul wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 4:59pm:

Try looking further back.

I asserted that the majority of epic completions are a small pool of people, and that adding epic ingredients to the store wouldn't amount to much.

Eladiun tossed out a number of 100 people from his guild - I highly doubt that all of Helpers spends the majority of their time running epics.

Speaking for myself, epics are not really a relevant part of my time on DDO. Regardless of how much it impacts that minority of hard-core players, changes to epic and raid loot are not going to make a difference to a large portion of the overall playerbase, or the revenue.

The game is being geared heavily towards the casual players. Turbine is following the money, which explains the lack of focus on endgame, and the epic band-aids.

Adding raid loot like +3 tomes and other items to the store in the future might matter to everyone you know, but my point stands that the people on here are atypical.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:


So the people ho are leveling their alts and TRing don't run epics or something? This sort of logic baffles me. Stop being stupid. The same people who are leveling TRs and alts also have alts who are running epics with the guild.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:


Why? That's the current state of endgame at the moment. Endgame = epic.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:


Yes. It will. Raid loot isn't entirely level 20. This statement is uneducated. Here: http://www.ddowiki.com Just in case you ever get your head out of your ass and feel like looking something up before spewing bullshit.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:


You mean like the two epic raids they added, as well as an entire wilderness zone for endgame players? Also a crafting system to go along with it? I'm sorry where the fuck have you been the past month? This game isn't even remotely being geared towards casualites since they just actually made epic and elite raids way more difficult.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 5:38pm:


It matters to everyone. Raid loot isn't minimum level 20. And even if it was there are plenty of "casual players" with level 20 characters.

They don't have Wendy's in Honorary Oz?

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 6:02pm:


You mean versus the people who spend hundreds of turbine points on xp pots, character slots, supreme tomes, guild renown pots,  sp pots, stat pots, and the list goes on. The power gamers spend WAY more time on this game.

Kimberlite wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:


I agree.  I'm not sure why powergamers think that Turbine gets paid per minute they spend in game.  Spending 60-80 hours of your life per week in game as a VIP or premium player does not add any more revenue than another VIP or Premium player that spends 2 hours per week in game.  And it's a lot easier development $$ and support $$ wise to keep the 2 hour per week guy happy.  The powergamer is a demanding pain in the ass for the same $$.

The only thing beyond subs/pack purchases that can effect revenue is consumables purchases.  And the novice players/casual players are using far more of those than the powergamers.  Power gamers have plenty of epic tokens to use for TR.  They get +2 and +1 tomes in game.  They have plenty of plat for mana pots.  They aren't buying healing pots, thieves tools, spell components or +1 weapons or 95% of the crap available in the store.  They have gear so they don't need mummy and beholder store items.  Most can speed run xp so fast that they don't need xp pots.

Lots of freely disposable income and limited IRL time = heavy store usage.  Lots of disposable free time (power gamers) <> heavy store usage.  They can afford to grind content for the things they want rather than buy them with money.  Sure there are some people with lots of free time and lots of disposable cash, but that is not the majority of your population.  Generally, the ones with cash are working to earn it.  The ones with tons of free time aren't earning much cash.  Sure there are exceptions to this rule.  Sure there are professionals who work 40 hours a week and game 40 hours a week.  But that's the exception rather than the rule.

Sorry teenage and college age/early 20's unemployed power gamers.  You don't pay the bills.  It's 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's and up professionals with full time jobs and (usually)limited game time that do. 

Gee.  It's the same as living in your parent's basement.  Complete with the overblown sense of entitlement and importance.