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Cor wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 12:53pm:

Worth millions of plat at the current time, but soon to be very denigrated.

It could be made, but I think it's pretty obvious that tomes are in a league of their own.  Shroud ingredients are clearly tied to a specific raid, even if they drop from elsewhere - they are part of one major raid that you're supposed to have access to in order to craft the items from said raid, though Turbine was nice enough to open that up by putting the altars on airships. 

The biggest thing about it, though, is that they're nothing more than an incrementation of a consumable that's already available in the store.  I just honestly can't understand thinking of them as being some sort of loot that's strictly tied to raids as though that's the way that it's always supposed to be.  All of the other examples are very specific items that don't exist in PnP and are tied to their specific adventure pack, with the exception of Ioun Stones.  And honestly, selling BtA Ioun Stones wouldn't bug me all that terribly much, either.

I'm really not interested in the pathetic timing argument, again.  It's just incorrect and stupid, frankly. 

Scupperer wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

Okay, actually, that's a pretty legitimate argument right there.  I do see the silent, non-forum-reading majority brought up in a lot of discussions, but I had mostly thought of them as the content masses rather than considering the effect that this sort of change might have on them. 

It's not raid loot, and I don't think it breaks any promises, but they should really make it clear that +3 tomes will have a chance to drop elsewhere in the near future before they go selling them in the store.

Scupperer wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:


To my knowledge shards of power and supreme power only drop in The Shroud itself. 

I've never seen them drop in Amrath.  I think the great shards only drop because they are used in ToD ring crafting.  It would be lame to make you run Shroud to craft a ToD ring.

Asheras wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 4:16pm:

Devil Assault

Nevynn wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 4:56pm:

Because in the long long ago, the Devs came down unto the player base and bestowed upon them a sacred promise regarding raid loot that shall never be violated.  And because +3 tomes cannot be considered anything but raid loot until they have confirmed to drop from every 21st+ level quest, which I have to confirm with my own eyes by having it drop in my name.  And if I'm still missing the Int tome by the end of that, by God, Turbine had better make up for that, too.

Nevynn wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 4:56pm:


People are crying because +3 Tomes becoming non-raid loot with increased drop chances is nothing more then some theoretical supposing at this point. While the fact that Turbine is ready and raring to sell very rare; very hard to get +3 tomes in-game is a very immediate reality.

Turbines suggestion of looking into the matter of raid drops, sometime, is worthless.

If they change it, or even just announce the change as a sure thing; I have no problem with it.

Until they do; they are just practicing misdirection again; hoping that players will forget this for a vauge prmise of reviewing the matter; as it slowly becomes a Turbine accepted practice to sell rare/named/raid items in store.

kitsune_ko wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 7:04pm:


Couldn't have said it better.

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Store pots - about the closest to an unstoppable killing machine as you can get....

You guys the only free to play raid is tempest spine and it drops unbound raid loot. I highly doubt they're going to be selling raid loot outside of tomes because they still have to sell the packs. So really the mass hysteria seems kinda silly. Also Inkblack did post about +5 tomes coming to the game soon.

JakLee wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 7:47pm:


I was gonna say a torc but its about the same

Arkat wrote on Sep 30^th, 2011 at 11:31pm:


Sorry I missquoted. I meant in the game. I haven't slept in a while. I'll edit.

When arties were coming out and the advertising for VIP was 'misleading,' a lot of folks' take was "That's a bunch of bullshit, it's just misdirection, I'll believe they'll change it when I see it." 

When Maj started talking about having more open dialog with the players from QA, I heard the same thing.

I'm seeing that Turbine's really trying to make an effort toward the player base, and I haven't seen a bad faith move on their part since I got started, tbh.  Sure, it's only been since February, but until I see it, I'm going to go nuts and say that they're actually working on something when the devs flat out say they're working on it.

If +3 tomes aren't dropping from non-raid chests in the next six months, I'll gladly eat my words.  But I just don't see the justification at this point to assume they're automatically out to fuck us over and break their promises, especially since +3 tomes haven't been raid-only for what, 3 or 4 years now, from what little I can find on Festivault?  If half a year of decent behavior isn't enough to earn a bit of goodwill, I really doubt that any of the curmudgeons are going to change their mind. 

If someone can provide a clear example of misleading, shady shit in the last six or so months that was unfair, I'll gladly listen.