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xveganrox Korthos Resident Offline Kobold never forgive! Kobold remember Waterworks! Posts: 24 Location: Cannith Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	THF Assassin GR Build Dec 9^th, 2011 at 6:22am	Print Post
	I currently have a Rogue 15/Fighter 5 that I'm planning to GR (the 15/5 was a little mistake I made on my last GR), and I'm not quite sure what I'm going to do. At first I was thinking 16/4, but now I'm considering going 18/2 for Assassin III. I'll be sacrificing 4 or 22 hp, and losing 1 or 3 BAB, and potentially a feat. Currently I'm considering dropping Weapon Focus and swapping Stunning Blow out for Cleave, but I'm a bit worried that a lower BAB will make Cleave less useful in epics. Anyway, here's the build I'm currently considering: Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page� Carella Songsteel Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Human Female (2 Fighter / 18 Rogue) Hit Points: 312 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15/15/20/2525 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 15 Will: 5 � �� Starting� � Feat/Enhancement Abilities� � Base Stats� � Modified Stats (32 Point)� � (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 18� �� 26 Dexterity� �� 8� �� 8 Constitution� �� 16� �� 19 Intelligence� �� 14� �� 16 Wisdom� �� 8� �� 8 Charisma� �� 8� �� 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 1 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 16 Notable Equipment� Epic Antique Greataxe Levik's Bracers Sustaining Symbiont Epic Phiarlan Mirror Cloak Epic Bramble-Casters Madstone Boots Ring of the Ravager Colethenis's Belt Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Necklace of No Bonus Effect Minos Legens Epic Utility Vest Tharne's Goggles Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Human Bonus) Insightful Reflexes Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 4 (Rogue) Level 5 (Rogue) Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Rogue) Level 9 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 10 (Rogue) Level 11 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 12 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 13 (Rogue) Level 14 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 16 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Rogue) Level 20 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Human Versatility III Enhancement: Human Versatility IV Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbingg I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Improved Hide I Enhancement: Improved Hide II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery IV Gear-wise I of course have a million other switch-ins/items the character builder didn't have, but build-wise that's what I think I'll be going for. I'm a little worried that the drop in base attack bonus might reduce my general effectiveness, but currently I don't have any to-hit problems (I mostly run eVon/HouseP/Fens, eADQ [just the raid for the most part], elite Shavarath quests and whatever difficulty ToD I can get into, Hard/Elite VoD and HoX, and non-epic MA and LoB). Any thoughts/questions/suggestions/mockery/dire warnings for me?


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TallGuy Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 50 Joined: Jun 12^th, 2010	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #1 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 7:06am	Print Post
	You'll only drop 1 BAB for changing the split you have now, no changes for 16/4. You lose 1 BAB @ lvl 17 rogue and that's it. Rogue is a 3/4 BAB, fighter full BAB. You do lose 1 to hit for dropping weapon focus.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #2 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 8:03am	Print Post
	Instead of dropping Weapon Focus, drop all three Two Handed Fighting feats to pick up the Two Weapon Fighting chain. You'll get an extra 35-ish damage per attack against Sneak-Attackable enemies. Can't see turning down 35-ish free damage per attack against most of the enemies in the game. You'll also do more damage against constructs, undead and elementals with TWF than with THF if you have appropriate weapons just because of the extra 0.8 * [smiting/disrutption/banishing/bane damage].

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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #3 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 9:38am	Print Post
	There are a lot of things that you can argue about a rogue build, but THF vs. TWF is not one of them. TWF is vastly superior.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #4 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 9:51am	Print Post
	Despite my deep seething hatred of rogues, only a fucking moron would make them THF. Are you a fucking moron?

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #5 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	You should've have to ask that question. It's painfully clear.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	Belwaar wrote on Dec 9^th, 2011 at 12:59pm: You shouldn't have to ask that question.� It's painfully clear. It was rhetorical. Also, FTFY.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #7 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 11:46am	Print Post
	THF on a rogue? An assassin rogue, no less? Wtf. No. Just no.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Nerdychaz Waterworks Kobold Offline I was queer before the ponies! Posts: 188 Location: Cannith Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #8 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	I am currently playing a THF Assassin and absolutely love it. You gotta build it right though. Start with 20 rogue and go from there. I will post my build for you later.


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Nerdychaz Waterworks Kobold Offline I was queer before the ponies! Posts: 188 Location: Cannith Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #9 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	The point of an insight assassin is to maximize the use of Intelligence to power your assassinate, trap skills, evasion, and skill points. This also removes the need for dex gear, leaving you better gear choices. Having an instant death attack that reliably takes down 2-3 enemies at a time with a high DC on a 6 second cool down timer that does not rely on SP is incredibly at epic levels. Contrary to popular belief, there is very little �set up time� required. At the same time, the need for the extensive TWF feat line is removed and opens up greater possibilities. TWF rogues are by far the DPS leader when compared to THF when you look at low AC mobs, it is in the high AC ranges that the difference is seen. I have heard all the arguments about this buff and that buff, but you can still have those buffs on a THF rogue, and hit even higher AC. This build features the Half-elf for the fighter dilettante for access to more strength and weapon proficiencies to the best two handed weapons with the falchion as the weapon of choice. Improved sunder is present for the Lord of Blades raid and other raid bosses. Cleave and power attack were more useful at lower levels (cleave allows for AoE sneak attacks), and will be replaced with the past life rogue feat and perhaps another toughness. As I said, this is my current build and has not been fully optimized yet. The TWF feat line is not preferred, as the extra glancing blows can draw unwanted aggro. My current HP is 407 unbuffed, projected is 427 when I slot item toughness on an epic item. HP breakdown: Permanent 252 Base 10 draconic 40 superior false life 60 +6 Con item 45 GS Air/Air/Air item 20 Item Toughness 15 guild slot (20 for higher guilds) 442 Sub Total Temporary 442 base 20 rage 40 madstone 1 40 madstone 2 20 Greater Heroism 562 total Current Assassinate DC 10 base 20 rogue level 12 Intelligence (24 + 6 item, +2 spyglass, +2 guild shrine) 42 DC Possible illusionists garb(INT +7), exceptional INT +1, +4 tome, Epic Midnight Greetings 46 DC Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Male (20 Rogue) Hit Points: 252 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15/15/20/2525 Fortitude: 9 Reflex: 19 Will: 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 17 24 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 13 16 Intelligence 18 24 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 26 Bluff 3 32 Concentration 1 6 Diplomacy 3 26 Disable Device 8 33 Haggle -1 16 Heal -1 3 Hide 3 34 Intimidate -1 3 Jump 7 33 Listen -1 3 Move Silently 3 34 Open Lock 3 26 Perform n/a n/a Repair 4 10 Search 8 33 Spot 3 26 Swim 3 10 Tumble 3 26 Use Magic Device 3 29 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Fighter Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Level 5 (Rogue) Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Level 10 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 11 (Rogue) Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 13 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Level 14 (Rogue) Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder Level 19 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow Enhancement: Half-Elf Strategy (Sunder) I Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Intelligence I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Improved Hide I Enhancement: Improved Hide II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Enhancement: Half-Elf Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #10 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 5:40pm	Print Post
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	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #11 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Nerdychaz wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 5:22pm: but you can still have those buffs on a THF rogue, and hit even higher AC. Ac that means nothing. Congrats! You meaningless ac just went higher and is still meaningless! Nerdychaz wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 5:22pm: The TWF feat line is not preferred, as the extra glancing blows can draw unwanted aggro. The TWF line does not provide glancing blows. It does allow you to fucking skyrocket your dps though. A fucking THF rogue, I cannot believe you admitted to playing this piece of shit. You need to fucking ragequit life.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #12 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 7:51pm	Print Post
	TWF assassins also get three or four chances to assassinate when they doublestrike. TWF on assassins is THE way to go.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #13 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 8:31pm	Print Post
	Have you ever thought about rerolling your rogue into an arti?

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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #14 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	Christ. It's THF that gives glancing blows, not TWF. Also, your AC will still suck. You lose a ton and gain nothing.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #15 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 1:27am	Print Post
	OK, dude.� Seriously.� I've told you this twice now, about that specific build in two different threads. This makes the third time. Did you really think bringing it to the fucking Vault was going to get you a different response?
	« Last Edit: Dec 12^th, 2011 at 1:28am by Cale »

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #16 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 1:49am	Print Post
	Cale wrote on Dec 12^th, 2011 at 1:27am: OK, dude.� Seriously.� I've told you this twice now, about that specific build in two different threads.� This makes the third time. Did you really think bringing it to the fucking Vault was going to get you a different response? He posted that shit on the live forums, not once but twice? I don't believe it, I refuse to believe humanity has fallen so far.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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DavidLoPan Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4 Joined: Dec 1^st, 2011	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #17 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	I knew I had seen this build before. Learn the game mechanics first, then post build advice. THF assassin is like a pure monk with a great axe in his hands. DO NOT POST A THF PURE MONK NOW!!


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #18 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	lol THF rogue. although I did craft a two hander for low level on my rogue. didn't feel like making two of something i'll outgrow in a few levels. that acid burst flametouched falchion of undead bane is handy, until i get some disruptors.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #19 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	DavidLoPan wrote on Dec 12^th, 2011 at 2:57pm: POST A THF PURE MONK NOW!! Quarter staff monk 2hf build, full cleric dilly and void 4 Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 312 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 15 Will: 16 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 24 Dexterity 14 16 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 10 12 Wisdom 14 18 Charisma 8 8 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 12 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 30 Bluff -1 -1 Concentration 6 39 Diplomacy -1 -1 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 -1 Heal 2 4 Hide 2 7 Intimidate -1 -1 Jump 3 32 Listen 2 4 Move Silently 2 7 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 1 Search 0 1 Spot 6 17 Swim 3 7 Tumble 6 28 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Improved Jump I Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Void Strike I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Level 4 (Monk) Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Level 5 (Monk) Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante I Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Adept of Rock Level 7 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Level 8 (Monk) Enhancement: Human Versatility III Enhancement: Adept of Wind Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Enhancement: Void Strike II Enhancement: Adept of Rain Level 10 (Monk) Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante II Level 11 (Monk) Enhancement: Human Versatility IV Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Master of Stone Level 13 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Adept of Flame Level 14 (Monk) Enhancement: Void Strike III Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante III Level 16 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Bonfires Enhancement: Master of the Sea Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Enhancement: Grandmaster of the Sun Level 19 (Monk) Enhancement: Void Strike IV Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
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DavidLoPan Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4 Joined: Dec 1^st, 2011	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #20 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2011 at 3:54pm: Quarter staff monk 2hf build, full cleric dilly and void 4 ..... At least it wasn't a great axe.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #21 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	DavidLoPan wrote on Dec 12^th, 2011 at 4:07pm: At least it wasn't a great axe. but it could be

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Nerdychaz Waterworks Kobold Offline I was queer before the ponies! Posts: 188 Location: Cannith Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #22 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 5:57pm	Print Post
	My PnP experience makes you misunderstand me. I am too used to talking THaC0. My point is that when you are up against an enemy with high AC, you can hit it more often and thus out DPS TWF in the extremes. It's about epic boss beat down, not trash killing. Trash killing is even easier on this build with a high assassinate. I have played TWF khopesh assassins, they are boring to me now. I have much more fun with this one. I am not trashing TWF at all, it is very good DPS and very effective, but once you reach extreme AC while playing a 15 BAB toon, the DPS slows down.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #23 - Dec 12^th, 2011 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	All I see is : My shitty build doesn't suck, roarz!

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Throate Waterworks Kobold Offline ...to hear the lamentation of them noobs Posts: 154 Location: Austria Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF Assassin GR Build Reply #24 - Dec 13^th, 2011 at 5:07am	Print Post
	How does THF make you hit more often than TWF? With TWF you get 2 or 3 chances on each assassinate attempt. So with the same DC the chances to get a mob are much higher on a TWF rogue. There are scrolls of divine power available. Add the active rogue PL and you should hit pretty much everything. Except epic bloodplate. I hope they'll fix improved destruction soon...


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