Epoch wrote on Dec 14^th, 2011 at 4:33am:


it completely comes down to your to hit, and whether or not the litany gives you the +1 hit / damage a swing AND boosts your str to an even bracket.

bloodstone = 36 damage

the litany odd str = 22 damage +1 to hit

litany even str = 42 damage +1 to hit.

- based on the assumption of tier 3 earth stance
- based on a typical 20 rolls, with 1 miss, and 2 crits.

It's easy dumb math, but it works for simple comparisons.

personally i think both of these items are moot now, and i'll be sticking with gem + ravensight + claw gloves.

Epoch wrote on Dec 14^th, 2011 at 7:10am:


sadly you don't get extra burst damage with the die step    and last i checked litany doesn't stack with a 3 piece set.

Munkenmo wrote on Dec 14^th, 2011 at 1:46pm:

It shouldn't. They're both Profane bonuses. Assuming you have the full Abishai set, Litany will provide +1 to Dex, Int, Wis, and Cha though.

Epoch wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 4:00am:


x3 Crit on a 19-20. With Spare Hand giving you your Doublestrike.

Also, 20% DR passive and +4 CON and +70% threat gen.

Epoch wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 5:02am:


Very recent. It's a nice addition to my 10 DR/epic.

Go play your monk again Epoch. Hell, LR him so you can see all the new shit.

Epoch wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 6:31am:

Mountain Stance is quite impressive now. Changed my Dark Monk to using it. Will probably keep Arkat, my Light Monk, in Sun Stance though.

going fire/earth HA Shintao build next life with Thumbs, I expect greatness.  20% damage reduction + improved evasion + 300-400% healing amp.

Changes to monks are now in the wiki, and here's the updates here for those who don't have access


    Air:
        Lesser Wind Stance
            Benefit: The relentless storm focuses on movement and speed. Lesser Wind Stance grants +2 Dexterity, a 7.5% Enhancement bonus to melee and thrown attack speed, and grants a 2.5% chance to doublestrike with melee weapons, at the cost of -2 Constitution. [/left]
        Wind Stance
            Benefit: The relentless storm focuses on movement and speed. Wind Stance grants +2 Dexterity, a 10% Enhancement bonus to melee and thrown attack speed, and grants a 5% chance to doublestrike with melee weapons, at the cost of -2 Constitution.
        Greater Wind Stance
            Benefit: The relentless storm focuses on movement and speed. Greater Wind Stance grants +3 Dexterity, a 12.5% Enhancement bonus to melee and thrown attack speed, and grants a 7.5% chance to doublestrike with melee weapons, at the cost of -2 Constitution.
        Ultimate Wind Stance
            Benefit: The relentless storm focuses on movement and speed. Ultimate Wind Stance grants +4 Dexterity, a 15% Enhancement bonus to melee and thrown attack speed, and grants a 10% chance to doublestrike with melee weapons, at the cost of -2 Constitution.

    Earth:
        Lesser Mountain Stance
            Benefit: The unyielding mountain stance focuses on endurance and defense. Lesser Mountain Stance grants +2 Constitution, 5% physical damage resistance, a +1 Insight bonus to Natural Armor, and a +25% Insight bonus to melee threat generation, at the cost of -2 Dexterity and -10% movement speed. While in Lesser Mountain Stance, you gain 'Get Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.'
        Mountain Stance
            Benefit: The unyielding mountain stance focuses on endurance and defense. Mountain Stance grants +2 Constitution, 10% physical damage resistance, a +2 Insight bonus to Natural Armor, and a +40% Insight bonus to melee threat generation, at the cost of -2 Dexterity and -10% movement speed. While in Mountain Stance, you gain 'Get Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.'
        Greater Mountain Stance
            Benefit: The unyielding mountain focuses on endurance and defense. Greater Mountain Stance grants +3 Constitution, 15% physical damage resistance, a +3 Insight bonus to Natural Armor, a +55% Insight bonus to melee threat generation, and the critical multiplier of all weapons you use is increased by 1 on rolls of a natural 19 or 20, at the cost of -2 Dexterity and -10% movement speed. While in Greater Mountain Stance, you gain 'Get Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.'
        Ultimate Mountain Stance
            Benefit: The unyielding mountain focuses on endurance and defense. Ultimate Mountain Stance grants +4 Constitution, 20% physical damage resistance, a +3 Insight bonus to Natural Armor, a +70% Insight bonus to melee threat generation, and the critical multiplier of all weapons you use is increased by 1 on rolls of a natural 19 or 20, at the cost of -2 Dexterity and -10% movement speed. While in Ultimate Mountain Stance, you gain 'Get Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.'

    Fire:
        Lesser Sun Stance
            Benefit: The consuming flame focuses on an aggressive offense. Lesser Sun Stance grants +2 Strength at a cost of -2 Wisdom. While in Lesser Sun Stance you gain 'Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.' and 'Critical Effect: Gain 2 ki.'
        Sun Stance
            Benefit: The consuming flame focuses on an aggressive offense. Sun Stance grants +2 Strength at a cost of -2 Wisdom. While in Sun Stance you gain 'Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.' and 'Critical Effect: Gain 3 ki.'
        Greater Sun Stance
            Benefit: The consuming flame focuses on an aggressive offense. Greater Sun Stance grants +3 Strength at a cost of -2 Wisdom. While in Greater Sun Stance you gain 'Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.' and 'Critical Effect: Gain 4 ki.'
        Ultimate Sun Stance
            Benefit: The consuming flame focuses on an aggressive offense. Ultimate Sun Stance grants +4 Strength at a cost of -2 Wisdom. While in Ultimate Sun Stance you gain 'Hit Effect: Gain 1 ki.' and 'Critical Effect: Gain 5 ki.'

    Water:
        Lesser Ocean Stance
            Benefit: The eternal ocean focuses on redirection and the supernatural. Lesser Ocean Stance grants +2 Wisdom, a +1 dodge bonus to Armor Class, and +2 to all Saving Throws at a cost of -2 Strength.
        Ocean Stance
            Benefit: The eternal ocean focuses on redirection and the supernatural. Lesser Ocean Stance grants +2 Wisdom, a +2 dodge bonus to Armor Class, and +3 to all Saving Throws at a cost of -2 Strength.
        Greater Ocean Stance
            Benefit: The eternal ocean focuses on redirection and the supernatural. Lesser Ocean Stance grants +3 Wisdom, a +2 dodge bonus to Armor Class, +4 to all Saving Throws, and your passive ki generation when centered is increased by 1, at a cost of -2 Strength.
        Ultimate Ocean Stance
            Benefit: The eternal ocean focuses on redirection and the supernatural. Lesser Ocean Stance grants +4 Wisdom, a +3 dodge bonus to Armor Class, +5 to all Saving Throws, and your passive ki generation when centered is increased by 1, at a cost of -2 Strength.

    The Monk capstone has been updated:
        Monk Serenity
            Benefit: Your understanding of things has evolved to a level that defies description. You are a paragon of centeredness. You gain +2 Wisdom, +10 Concentration, and your passive ki generation when centered is increased by 1. (This stacks with the bonus from Greater and Ultimate Ocean Stance.)

    Eagle Claw Attack and Unbalancing Strike are now affected by items that affect Sunder and Trip DC's respectively:
        Eagle Claw Attack
            Benefit: Your attacks can shatter objects. You strike at weak points in your opponent's armor or hide, reducing their armor class by 4 for a short period of time. This attack also makes the target easier to strike with grazing hits, reducing the required d20 roll by 2. A successful Fortitude save negates this effect. (DC 10 + Half Monk Level + Wisdom mod + Sunder modifiers) The target receives periodic saves to attempt to break free of this effect.

        Unbalancing Strike
            Benefit: You have learned several joint strikes. You can attack these weak points of your opponent, throwing them off balance for a short period of time. This reduces their armor class by 2, applies a -10 penalty to their Balance skill, and renders them vulnerable to sneak attacks. A successful Reflex save negates this effect. (DC 10 + Half Monk Level + Wisdom mod + Trip modifiers) The target receives periodic saves to attempt to break free of this effect.

    The effect attached to Ten Thousand Stars has changed:
        Ten Thousand Stars
            Benefit: Activate this ability to enter a trance for 30 seconds (or until you become uncentered) that gives you a chance to throw multiple shuriken at a time. Wisdom increases your chance for additional projectiles and increases the potential number of additional projectiles. This ability will work with bows if you have the Zen Archery feat, but Manyshot and this ability cannot be used at the same time.

Thanks. I might have to look again at my capstone. When was that one updated?

Osharan Tregarth wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:


I was referring to the mountain one - I have threat aplenty on items

Anywho, so the capstone is nice, and all the stances stayed the same except earth which got buffed all to hell? Nice.

Munkenmo wrote on Dec 17^th, 2011 at 10:22pm:


Both are useless, so it gained nothing.

Arkat wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:18am:



Check reply #8.  That is what I updated, hehe.