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Blank Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #50 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 1:18am	Print Post
	Quote: Yes, Winnar is a first life rogue. I was thinking halfling, but I guess I'm not 100% set on it if there's a good build reason to go another race. I do have a lot of handwraps from my other monk, so I don't have any problem with stat damagers, bursting of stunning and other wraps to use as I level up.� I'm not really considered with the skills in your list and I will probably do a hard streak.� Maybe elite depending on survivability, but I'm pretty awful at DDO so I don't want to have my heart set on elite. http://www.ddovault.com/Images/Smoak.png I do like the 13/7 idea, Cale!� I'd like to be able to do traps and I'll also be bumping UMD.� Thanks for your help!� And sorry it took me so long to see your response - oopsie! Let's face it. You got distracted. It's ok. You're a girl. It happens.


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #51 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:44am	Print Post
	This is what I did with mine: Quote: Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Female (7 Monk / 13 Rogue) Hit Points: 278 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14/14/19/24 Fortitude: 12 Reflex: 17 Will: 11 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 15 22 22 Dexterity 14 16 19 Constitution 14 16 16 Intelligence 12 14 14 Wisdom 12 14 14 Charisma 10 12 12 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 2 4 10 Bluff 0 1 1 Concentration 2 3 3 Diplomacy 0 1 1 Disable Device n/a n/a n/a Haggle 0 1 3 Heal 1 2 2 Hide 2 4 4 Intimidate 0 1 1 Jump 2 6 10 Listen 1 2 4 Move Silently 2 4 4 Open Lock n/a n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 1 2 2 Search 1 2 8 Spot 1 2 8 Swim 2 6 6 Tumble n/a n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a n/a Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Level 5 (Rogue) Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 11 (Rogue) Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Level 14 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Improved Sunder Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Feat: ((Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 19 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 20 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Shintao Monk I Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Adept of Flame Enhancement: Adept of Rain Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct II Enhancement: Improved Balance I Enhancement: Improved Balance II Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II Enhancement: Improved Disable Device III Enhancement: Improved Disable Device IV Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I Enhancement: Improved Open Lock II Enhancement: Improved Search I Enhancement: Improved Search II Enhancement: Improved Search III Enhancement: Improved Search IV Enhancement: Improved Spot I Enhancement: Improved Spot II Enhancement: Improved Spot III Enhancement: Improved Spot IV Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II Keep in mind that I just adapted a drow toon I was already messing with, because I hadn't tried drow yet. If I were you, I'd just make it a human and tweak the stats and enhancements for that.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #52 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 1:20pm	Print Post
	I stopped reading at drow with 278 hp.� P.S. I think I want to go dark monk for ToD.
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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #53 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	Quote: I stopped reading at drow with 278 hp.� P.S.� I think I want to go dark monk for ToD. Lol well, as I said, I did this with a drow because I was messing around with a drow originally for a rogue and then decided to try this. If I was actually looking to make a rogue/monk, I'd use either halfling or human. Apart from that though, and even despite it, it's not been a terrible toon. If I were you, I'd go halfling, shift some things around to take guile/cunning, and have a couple more points in con and a couple less in charisma. I went light monk on her because one of the suckiest things about being a rogue is being utter crap against undead. The light monk mitigates that a lot.
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	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #54 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Feb 17^th, 2012 at 5:25pm: I went light monk on her because one of the suckiest things about being a rogue is being utter crap against undead. The light monk mitigates that a lot. Gotcha. I have Mamadapolis who is a light monk, so I just want to try it the other way. I doubt it's the undead - we all know you like to grasp everyone's earth dragon, Grace! Thanks for the help, I appreciate it! It really helps to look at other builds and be able to see what I like.


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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #55 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Wraps of endless light make up for everything against undead. Light or dark doesn't matter.

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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #56 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	If I go 13/7, does anyone have a recommendation for when to take monk levels? I know to at least take rogue right off the bat for skillz, but is there a good way to take the levels? I'd like to take monk relatively early (by early, I mean that I don't want to do 13 levels of rogue and then 7 monk last) as I want to use handwraps. I'd like to be able to fight like a monk and not do punch punch kick with handwraps on.


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #57 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:13pm	Print Post
	Unless you don't have wraps of endless light. Then it matters quite a bit. I tried to tell the cops I was just doing a monk finishing move, but they still arrested me.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #58 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:16pm	Print Post
	I just realized that I told you in one post that you should go human and in another you should go halfling. Blegh. Posting with a fever is bad, and I can't muster up enough focus to make a logical recommendation either way. So, boobies. That is all.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #59 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	Quote: If I go 13/7, does anyone have a recommendation for when to take monk levels?� I know to at least take rogue right off the bat for skillz, but is there a good way to take the levels?� I'd like to take monk relatively early (by early, I mean that I don't want to do 13 levels of rogue and then 7 monk last) as I want to use handwraps.� I'd like to be able to fight like a monk and not do punch punch kick with handwraps on.� Depends on your feelings on feat respecs, you can take all the monk levels up front but you might want to wait to take a level with a bonus feat until your BAB is high enough to select what you want.

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Blank Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #60 - Feb 17^th, 2012 at 10:11pm	Print Post
	Quote: If I go 13/7, does anyone have a recommendation for when to take monk levels?� I know to at least take rogue right off the bat for skillz, but is there a good way to take the levels?� I'd like to take monk relatively early (by early, I mean that I don't want to do 13 levels of rogue and then 7 monk last) as I want to use handwraps.� I'd like to be able to fight like a monk and not do punch punch kick with handwraps on.� Rogue/monk/monk/monk/rogue


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #61 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Yeah, I realized I put all my rogue and monk levels grouped in that build, but I didn't actually do that. I went rogue/monk/monk/monk/rogue and then I don't remember, I'll have to check.
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	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4338 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #62 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	Quote: I stopped reading at drow with 278 hp.� P.S.� I think I want to go dark monk for ToD. please let me know how touch of death works out for you with less than 9 monk levels.

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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #63 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 6:15pm: please let me know how touch of death works out for you with less than 9 monk levels. OMFG derp.


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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #64 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	Quote: Yes, Winnar is a first life rogue. I do like the 13/7 idea, Cale!� I'd like to be able to do traps and I'll also be bumping UMD. Since you're not planning on running an elite streak, and only planning on hard, you have two choices. Choice 1: If you were planning an elite run I'd say alternate rogue and monk levels: Choice 1a: only raise class skills, thus getting more skill points (but being -1 every other level) Choice 1b: use monk skill points on rogue stuff (and staying capped on rogue skills, but losing skill points overall). Choice 2: If you were planning on normal leveling, I'd say go: rogue 1 monk 3 rogue +1 (2) monk +2 (4 & 5) rogue +1 (3) monk +2 (6 & 7) rogue rest (4-13) Only raise class skills (which means you lag behind every couple of levels, then cap skills again) This gets all of your monk abilities quickly, adding sneak attack as you go towards cap. As you're not necessarily planning on an elite-to-cap streak, I don't think it matters much which you choose.� I prefer the second method. I can throw something together if you want.
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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #65 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: I was thinking halfling, How's this look? Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male (7 Monk / 13 Rogue) Hit Points: 266 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14/14/19/24 Fortitude: 13 Reflex: 17 Will: 14 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 15 22 Dexterity 15 17 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 14 18 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 29 Bluff -1 7 Concentration 2 29 Diplomacy -1 1 Disable Device 5 26 Haggle -1 1 Heal 2 5 Hide 5 19 Intimidate -1 1 Jump 6 21 Listen 2 7 Move Silently 6 22 Open Lock 6 24 Perform n/a n/a Repair 1 3 Search 5 26 Spot 6 28 Swim 2 7 Tumble 3 7 Use Magic Device 3 24 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Hide (+3) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+5) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 3 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 4 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 6 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows Level 7 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: \cf2Spot (+2) Level 8 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Search (+3) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Level 9 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Jump (+3) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Search (+3) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Level 12 (Rogue) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+3) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 20 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II Enhancement: Halfling Guile I Enhancement: Halfling Guile II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Adept of Rain Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Improved Hide I Enhancement: Improved Hide II Enhancement: Improved Jump I Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #66 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 12:58am	Print Post
	I really like that! Thanks, Cale! You're the bestamest!


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #67 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 1:32am	Print Post
	Assassinate doesn't really have much benefit until assassin 3, particularly at cap.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #68 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 3:34am	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 1:32am: Rogue doesn't really have much benefit, particularly at cap. Fixed this for you.

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Crazeee Waterworks Kobold Offline I Am Drama! Posts: 161 Location: Khyber Joined: Feb 14^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #69 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 3:52am	Print Post
	I wouldn't go for 7 monk. 6 monk is enough for the PRE. 7 monk only gives you "Wholeness of Body", but with only 7 monk levels you heal a lot faster if you simply drink heal pots instead of sitting around for 30 secs 13 rogue, 6 monk, 1 fighter (for the extra feat/attack) is what I use on my accobat.

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Blank Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #70 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 5:03am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 3:34am: Fixed this for you. 2 rogue for evasion on a Bard works nicely. Otherwise I'd go monk.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #71 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 5:46am	Print Post
	Quote: 2 rogue for evasion on a Bard works nicely. Otherwise I'd go monk. Which isn't much benefit. Thanks, it was covered.

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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #72 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 6:36am	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 1:32am: Assassinate doesn't really have much benefit until assassin 3, particularly at cap. Acro requires 10ap spent on Dex enhancements that are hard to fit in and only offers redundant knockdown immunity on a build that has enough balance that he should be immune to most of them anyway.� Ninja/Acro leaves you short on AP and you have to give up too much to get both. Assassin is easier to fit, gives 2d6 more SA, and the little used and underrated poisons offer a bonus to hit when it's needed. In short, Assassin is superior to Acro in almost every single way on this build. Alternately Gawna, you could start Int @ at 10 and Wis @ 15, and only take monk wisdom I.� That would free up 4ap for you and net the same stunning fist DC, but you'd have to redo the skills to compensate for the loss of 1skp every level (which wouldn't be hard to do and would net you another +3sa damage from sa training IV).
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #73 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 11:24am	Print Post
	Now I'm thinking I may take the level of fighter. What if I were to reverse it and do 12 monk/7 rogue/1 fighter? Does that get me anything amazeballs? Otherwise I will probably just go 13 rogue/6 monk/1 fighter. Thanks everyone so much for your help, I really appreciate it!


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Crazeee Waterworks Kobold Offline I Am Drama! Posts: 161 Location: Khyber Joined: Feb 14^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Rogue/Monk build Reply #74 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	I don't see a huge advantage in the 7 levels of rogue, except for being a trapper and a little SA damage. With 13 rogue on the other hand, you'll get to pick 2 rogue feats. Improved Evasion and Opportunist are great for every build. Thief Acrobat with Ninja Spy is a nice synergy. Amazing attack speed with quaterstaffs paired with monk saves and AC bonus rocks.

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