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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Jun 4^th, 2012 at 5:55am	Print Post
	Hi Everyone, I am planning to GR my human cleric, it was my first build, I think 2 years ago, and placed my skill points into Heal, 'coz I want to be a "healer". I will have 3 skill points after level 7 for the the +2 tome to take effect. I will be maxing the two skill points into Concentration and UMD. So my question now is, what is needed more? Balance or Jump? I won't be TRing this toon ever, so basically this toon is for the high level quests or end game. So far, I don't see any quests that is requiring me to have a decent balance check, if there is any, please remind me. For jump, I have the Dustless boots clickie and the Propulsion for the extra jump. So any thoughts? Thanks so much.


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Calvet Puppy Farmer Offline I take stroke pills! Posts: 1497 Location: United Kingdom Joined: Dec 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #1 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 7:41am	Print Post
	Jump can be taken care of with an Amarath belt clickie (Or dustless boots in your case).� There's a few quests and raids at endgame where you can find yourslef on your back when "Shit happens" (EDQ, EVon, Lob for example) so balance can help there.
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string table error, tableDID Stormreaver Piker Offline ah......fresh meat Posts: 743 Location: Boredville Joined: Dec 9^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #2 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 7:42am	Print Post
	EDIT: Calvet was faster... jump clicky is your friend.
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Merrick DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 456 Joined: Nov 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #3 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:49am	Print Post
	I'm going to say "Balance" as well. Worst case scenario for the few quests with nasty jumps in them you can either grab an in-quest buff from a pc or hit up the Phiarlan rep vendor before you go in until you get to 20 for the boots.


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #4 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:57am	Print Post
	You can't do anything but say "oh god!" while on your back, so balance.


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Diogenes Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #5 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:12am	Print Post
	Not saying this is a good idea but the next cleric I cap is going to be human and is going to have enough skill points for concentration, UMD, balance AND jump.


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Blank Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #6 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:22am	Print Post
	Quote: You can't do anything but say "oh god!" while on your back, so balance. This can be taken in so many ways.


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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #7 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:38am	Print Post
	Quote: You can't do anything but say "oh god!" while on your back, so balance. I agree, many times I am on my back and saying "oh god", and loving it. Thanks, I just learned that on EDQ, balance will help you get back from wrack prone and cometfall. Thanks again.
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Spelljammer Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 107 Joined: Jun 4^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #8 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:47am	Print Post
	Depends on what you are doing. If you are just going to TR, then jump > balance. If you are not going to TR, then balance > jump. Also do not underestimate concentration and umd for divines. Some divines I know turn quicken off in ToD to save SP and rely on their concentration checks. Being able to UMD fireshield scrolls is great for everyone. Handy in other tight spots as well (HoX when glober goes afk).

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Spelljammer Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 107 Joined: Jun 4^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #9 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:54am	Print Post
	Oh yeah, forgot to add, quicken doesn't protect you when scrolling. So every divine should have concentration so they can heal-scroll with some probability of success even while taking damage (hopefully little damage). I like Diogenes's suggestion; UMD, concentrate, and balance are all really important for high-level healers. Points in jump help you level up more than anything (not essential for end-game healing), but having fun while leveling up is important too.

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #10 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 10:00am	Print Post
	There are lots of ML0 sources of +30 jump (risia pots, festivus cakes, house p buff) plus the +10 1 min jump pots being fine for most situations. Even on a TR, I'll usually not take jump unless I have a ton of extra skill points like on a barb. UMD + balance more important, plus intim on melees and concentration on casters.


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #11 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Quote: This can be taken in so many ways. Intended


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Blank Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #12 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Quote: Intended Insert Nexx Joke Here


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #13 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	Quote: Insert Nexx Joke Here Shrining


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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #14 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Spelljammer wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:54am: Oh yeah, forgot to add, quicken doesn't protect you when scrolling.� So every divine should have concentration so they can heal-scroll with some probability of success even while taking damage (hopefully little damage). I like Diogenes's suggestion; UMD, concentrate, and balance are all really important for high-level healers.� Points in jump help you level up more than anything (not essential for end-game healing), but having fun while leveling up is important too. Remember that time that arjiwan said in his OP that he will not be TRing and he's already maxing Concentration and UMD? I love that time.


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Throate Waterworks Kobold Offline ...to hear the lamentation of them noobs Posts: 154 Location: Austria Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #15 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Quote: Remember that time that arjiwan said in his OP that he will not be TRing and he's already maxing Concentration and UMD?� I love that time. Remember that time when that one thread stayed on topic for more than 5 posts? Err...


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #16 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	Throate wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 12:49pm: Remember that time when that one thread stayed on topic for more than 5 posts? No

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #17 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	Balance, lots of balance, as much balance as possible. Jump can be cast by a friendly arcane ( and� you make them feel god : they are buffing the Cleric ) drunk from a potion or (ab)used from a clicky. When you're on your ass you can't do crap, and especially you can't keep the party alive.
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notajedi Stormreaver Piker Offline What idiot puts personal information here? Gunga Posts: 528 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #18 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	I just wonder why you all are knocked down so often? I must be running the wrong quests and raids because I am not knocked down very often. I prefer jump. If you keep getting knocked down maybe more into strength and improve the saving throws. I solo play so maybe I don't worry about it as much when I am kissing the floor.


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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #19 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Throate wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 12:49pm: Remember that time when that one thread stayed on topic for more than 5 posts? Err...� Remember that time you saved my sweet ass in elite Sins? Best time ever.


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Goaticorn DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 405 Location: In a magical wonderland Joined: Jan 6^th, 2012	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #20 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	notajedi wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 3:36pm: I just wonder why you all are knocked down so often? I must be running the wrong quests and raids because I am not knocked down very often.� I prefer jump.� If you keep getting knocked down maybe more into strength and improve the saving throws. I solo play so maybe I don't worry about it as much when I am kissing the floor. So, you've never been knocked down by a cometfall or been tripped and face raped by a lion?


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Merrick DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 456 Joined: Nov 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #21 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Even my 22 STR level 10 monk gets tripped by Jarilith...CONSTANTLY.


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Dracosanct Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #22 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 4:52pm	Print Post
	Merrick wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm: Even my 22 STR level 10 monk gets tripped by Jarilith...CONSTANTLY. Is that a lot of strength for a monk? My wizard has more than that at level 9...


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #23 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	I think in my entire pally life so far, I've been tripped once. AC FTW.


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Nancy Ex Member	Re: Cleric Skill, jump or balance? Reply #24 - Jun 4^th, 2012 at 5:45pm	Print Post
	Quote: Not saying this is a good idea but the next cleric I cap is going to be human and is going to have enough skill points for concentration, UMD, balance AND jump. This.� If someone put a gun to my head, I would for my playstyle (hoppy) do jump.� But then there's Master Artificer.� For which on epic you can avoid some balance issues with enlarge, but no sane ckeric takes a feat for just 2 or 3 quests, even short-term. Crazy/bitchy, N
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