I quit responding to their stupidity/arrogance. They don't care about players.

There will always be one class / build that will out do others in most quests. If they make a quest to be "balanced" and require certain classes to complete, it won't be done as some people will not run it on their favorite class.

Holy crap, imagine if they notice that some people play most classes much better than others. Are they going to nerf those player's clients so they are crippled to balance a fucking game?  That russian fucktard will cripple us to a one minute per turn based system.

Eladrin posted one of the stupidest things I ever seen him say. "Hard to Kill ... in an attempt to promote teamwork between casters and the rest of the party."
Well, to make balanced parties they should have not used god damn dungeon scaling for smaller parties!

All they are trying to do is make rock-paper-scissors out D&D rules... And they should go play rock-paper-scissors and leave D&D alone.  Give up the license Turbine, you failed. Go off and make this other game system and let some other game company do it.

Grace wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:45am:

Have you ever thought about why?  I'm willing to bet that the PM was also the on providing CC so you squishy rogues wouldn't die in three seconds.  If the PM just said "screw it, let them fend for themselves" and started focusing/spending mana on instakills, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have outkilled the PM, especially considering the fact that the rest of you would probably be dead (first). 

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That's just an hyperbole/straw man, no one honest thinks that. 

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Yes, well geared necro sorcs are arguably more of a problem because of shorter cooldowns.  But of course, the nerfs to instakills affect all casters. 

To be perfectly honest, I don't really see what the big deal is - try to remember that even with the U14 nerfs, casters are vastly more powerful than pre-U8 (or U9?) when everything had permanent epic deathward.  I think in U14, we'll find that casters are still far more powerful than other classes, and with higher DPS sustainability, even more so than before in some ways. 

AtomicMew wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 5:12am:


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Do let eladrin know he's a liar 

%total
Aya:   57/204=27
Rast:  49/204=24
War:   43/204=21
Groan:39/204=19
Lar:     16/204=07

vs best arcane
16/57= 0.28 3.5:1
vs worst arcane
16/43= 0.37 2.7:1

vs fvs
16/39= 0.41 2.4:1

How long was the melee dead for, by the way, out of that (20 or 26 minutes? Hard to tell.)?


Edit: Should note, average expected kill contribution if aiming for raw kills is the only measurement for success: 20% for a party of 5+1 piker.

You do know that the new epic content is full of drow, right? I'm too tired to pick this apart right now since I haven't slept, but that part jumped out at me. I'm amused that you're saying high SR drow examples don't matter enough to constitute a point (which is silly in and of itself anyway) when we have an entire expansion filled with drow.

Grace wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 3:45am:


1) But you won't ever outkill the best, regardless of the quest. Even High SR drow are able to be wailed- a helf wiz with 3 wiz PLs can get their spell pen to around 43-44, enough to overcome all the SR in the game.

2) I CAN KILL EVERYTHING WITH NO EFFORT.  Once your DC/SP gets high enough, you just roll through content. Part of the reason why I quit was because I got bored with the game. Before I quit, I went on a soloing spree, and solo'd all of the epic fens, vons 1+2, Epic DA, Epic Wiz King, and other random epics. No other class can solo at the same speed as a PM.

3) Sorcs who can do the same need other people to disperse damage. There's a reason why you don't see fleshy sorcs soloing epic DA (hint it has to do with healing). WF sorcs lack the DC to omfgwtfpwn at the same speed as well geared, and no favored soul will catch up with a well geared PM in the kill count (that is, unless there are favored souls better than Groan-1).

This nerf is based on the correct assumption that PMs are the most powerful characters in 6 man groups. No other class has the same killing efficiency/durability as a PM. If you can't see that, you are not playing your PM correctly, or you're blind to the truth. Like I said, in its current form, it completely gimps PMs, but I think with the tweaking I suggested, it would make PMs still powerful, but just not the same gods they have been since the epic ward was lifted.

AtomicMew wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:


First of all, you can't guarantee that. Secondly, again...who the hell cares if I have 10 fewer kills than the caster? Oh noes! My fun is completely ruined!!!!!

Rastelin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:39pm:


You may be able to (though I'm betting against it), but most PMs can't. So we're supposed to nerf everyone's stuff because you're OP? That's moronic.

And regarding sorcs, that's crap as well. I've watched sorcs own things as easily as PMs and FVS. And again, so what?

It's poor game design that balances by punishing people for being good at a game instead of mixing up encounters.

Rastelin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:


So serious question: If they took mob encounters and say, on spawn it flipped a coin, and they either had twice the saves (all of them), or twice the HP, how do you think that'd impact dominance?

Rastelin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:


Sounds about right. So tougher question: How would you kill your toon without killing Larv's?

Rastelin wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:


That was kinda my initial thinking when it was first proposed as well (still is for the vorpal thing). Then I took a look at the magister line and contemplated it with a necro-sorc... Cutting directly into the DC differences pretty much means the only substantial difference from a practical standpoint VS PM is who's bluebar is keeping you up (assuming you stay fleshie), and your reflex save (assumes splash or not, you like reduced damage via Insightful Reflexes), and really cuts into the difference when it comes to AM VS necrosorc for a fleshie.

Or is there an aspect I'm overlooking?

Grace wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:54am:


No, can you link it?

Haunting looks way better than hard to kill. To perfect it though they need to add "Immune to Haunting effect" to the top tier of their arcane Epic Destiny.

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Wail 5 mobs get -10 DC's for 15 seconds and the effect not wearing off for 75 seconds... how is this not reasonable?

Oh BTW... healing is way overpowered... not enough people have been dying so now they're extending the cooldown for healing by 5 seconds for every character/npc affected by any healing spell.