rest wrote on Jun 28^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

lmao, that is still up for debate!

Rodrak wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 8:08pm:


Wow thats some specific claims for someone with 8 posts who doesn't play the game. Wanna let us in on your secret?

Rodrak wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 8:08pm:


There's random loot, turn in loot, challenge loot, raid loot and ddo store loot.

25 epic elite falls into the first category.

special tables or not, it's still essentially the same as random.

I wasn't really specific because I don't know the new content at all and it's hard to navigate hundreds of files where you don't know even the quest names What I meant is that not all epic elite chests will have a chance for +4 tomes. Specific example, I believe there's 2 special loot tables for quest called possibly "impossible demands" (not sure about it, navigated from chest to area to quest using that area, but there's quite a few unused leftovers from unfinished/scrapped content). One chest contains a named loot called "sacrificial dagger" and loot table is like this:
3% for SD on non epic
5% for SD on ee
4% for SD on eh
2% for SD on ec
3% for SD on en
(take note that new loot tables contain entries for non-epic even if quest is only available as epic etc)

And there's also 2nd chest (possibly end-chest) with:
25% for "Commendation: Villagers of Eveningstar" on non-epic
100% for "Commendation: Villagers of Eveningstar" on ee
1% for a 10% chance of unbound +4 tome on ee (so 0.1% chance for a tome)
100% for "Commendation: Villagers of Eveningstar" on eh
25% for "Commendation: Villagers of Eveningstar" on ec
100% for "Commendation: Villagers of Eveningstar" on en

I'm not sure how it's affected by the new loot scaling, but you'll not get a chance for +4 tome in every chest, just in some of them.

Glenalth wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

Nah, loot bonuses do not affect special/named loot at all.
Quote:

There's only one loot table that drops green dragon scales, so it's likely end chest:
- 3% for a flawless green dragon scale on non-epic
- 100% for one random commendation on ee
- 10% for a flawless green dragon scale on ee
- 1% for a 10% chance for random unbound +4 tome on ee
- 100% for one random commendation on eh
- 4% for a flawless green dragon scale on eh
- 100% for one random commendation on ec
- 2% for a flawless green dragon scale on ec
- 100% for one random commendation on en
- 10% for a flawless green dragon scale on en

Oops... that epic normal chance looks like a bug

This is really interesting info thanks rodrak

80% for a 90% chance at a +4 tome?

if only that were true : (

Ok... please ignore my previous post about raid. Here is possibly complete drop rate info from the new raid. There are 3 chest types (in the area called the demonweb). How many and what types will be available on each difficulty, I don't know. I assume the end chest is the one with commendation of heroism, but I'm not sure. I'm skipping non-epic info as the quest is epic only (I think). As usual, each table is a server d100 roll. Random vendor trash is not listed, these are only special loot tables. I'm not listing the exact item names because I don't care.

The whole thing is ridiculous to be honest.

END CHEST:

Epic Elite:
1-3: (ALLITEMS subtable)
4-15: commendation of heroism
16-100: nothing

Epic Hard:
1-2: (ALLITEMS subtable)
3-10: commendation of heroism
11-100: nothing

Epic Normal:
1: (SUBITEMS 1 subtable)
2-5: commendation of heroism
6-100: nothing

Epic Casual:
1: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)
2-5: commendation of heroism
6-100: nothing

SIDE/OPTIONAL CHEST 1:

Epic Elite:
1-3: (ALLITEMS subtable)
4-100: nothing

Epic Hard:
1-2: (ALLITEMS subtable)
3-100: nothing

Epic Normal:
1: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)
2-100: nothing

Epic Casual:
1: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)
2-100: nothing

SIDE/OPTIONAL CHEST 2:

Epic Elite:
1-3: (ALLITEMS subtable)
4-100: nothing

Epic Hard:
1-2: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)
3-100: nothing

Epic Normal:
1: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)
2-100: nothing

Epic Casual:
1: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)
2-100: nothing


SUBTABLES:

- ALLITEMS:

All difficulties:
1-50: (SUBITEMS 1 subtable)
51-100: (SUBITEMS 2 subtable)

- SUBITEMS 1:

All difficulties:
1-16: Rapier
17-33: Short Sword
34-50: Bastard Sword
51-67: Repeating Light Crossbow
68-84: Quarterstaff
85-100: Falchion

- SUBITEMS 2:

Epic Elite:
1-16: longsword
17-33: warhammer
34-49: quarterstaff
50-65: greataxe
66-81: dagger
82-97: longbow
98-100: (TOME subtable)

Epic Hard:
1-16: longsword
17-33: warhammer
34-50: quarterstaff
51-66: greataxe
67-82: dagger
83-98: longbow
99-100: (TOME subtable)

Epic Normal:
1-16: longsword
17-33: warhammer
34-50: quarterstaff
51-67: greataxe
68-83: dagger
84-99: longbow
100: (TOME subtable)

Epic Casual:
1-16: longsword
17-33: warhammer
34-50: quarterstaff
51-67: greataxe
68-84: dagger
85-100: longbow

- TOME subtable

Epic Elite:
1-80: 90% for a random +4 tome or nothing
81-90: 90% for a random +5 tome or nothing
91-100: cosmetic pet

Epic Casual/Normal/Hard:
1-100: 90% for a random +4 tome or nothing

So... that's my middle finger for you, Turbine, for banning me, as I'd normally not release such info early. In a way I'm glad I don't play this, or I'd be another one of the sheeps running it bazillion times for a +5 tome chance. Let's do some calculations... epic elite run, 1 end chest, no optionals:
3%*50%*3%*10%*90% = 0.00405% chance for *random* +5 tome. Statistically it's one per... almost 25000 runs?

Sorry if my math is failing me... and good luck to all you addicted powergamers...

Edit: This ends my interest in the game, so no more such info from me, and of course you are free to ignore it as usual

Feel free to ignore the question, but I'd love you to satisfy my curiosity.

Where did you get this info Rodrak (Pm would be fine!).

Terebinthia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 9:05am:


It's probably a cosmetic pet that probably craps on your toon's bed and pisses on your weapons (or spellbook as the case may be).  Might as well.  If I ever pull one of those, I'll know I got the big middle finger from Turbine.

Terebinthia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 9:05am:



You can sell the pet on the AH for as much as the tome.

Allo wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2012 at 10:20am:

A miniature pig with a slit cut into his back wherein the lucky acquirer irrevocably deposits all their hopes, dreams, ambitions, and time for that .00405% chance of pulling an item that may possibly help your character marginally, which will in-turn possibly marginally help your character in other easier-to-complete quests.

The tome part of it is meh to me really.  I never got a +4 from ToD (Got mine in EDQ and EVON).

As long as the loot that drops fairly regular is ok (The weapons) it will be enough incentive for most people.  The tome is awesome if you're lucky enough to win the lottery of the dice roll, but it's always the standard "Raid loot" that makes or breaks a raid lootwise.

ETA: Nice info Rodrak.