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Fuck Off The Big Fuck Offline My favorite word is Fuck. Fuck, fuck, fuck. Posts: 1284 Location: Fuckville Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #25 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	I'm wondering what the numbers are to the alchemical boosts. Nothing is yet updated on the sites I check and I'm wondering if it will be worth making one at all.

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #26 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	Fuck Off wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:45pm: I'm wondering what the numbers are to the alchemical boosts. Nothing is yet updated on the sites I check and I'm wondering if it will be worth making one at all. +90


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #27 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:50pm	Print Post
	Kannyaheals wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:42pm: Well, I never used anything but empower healing, so I guess I won't notice much difference. As far as figuring out the other shit (numbers make my baby brain hurt), I'm a bit more screwed. Gauntlets of Eternity are now useful again at endgame? I was trying to figure out where I was going to slot devotion and then I looked at the Gauntlets of Eternity that I happened to be wearing for a raid that I had just healed and the numbers yelled out to me, "We're good enough for any crap that you're going to care about".

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #28 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	Kannyaheals wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:42pm: Well, I never used anything but empower healing, so I guess I won't notice much difference. As far as figuring out the other shit (numbers make my baby brain hurt), I'm a bit more screwed. Gauntlets of Eternity are now useful again at endgame? Gauntlets of Eternity is still a steaming piece of shit that don't deserve a dust-covered bank slot.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #29 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:21pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:12pm: Gauntlets of Eternity is still a steaming piece of shit that don't deserve a dust-covered bank slot. Which makes them match just about every other source of Devotion available to a Cleric or FvS.

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10012 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #30 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 1:23pm	Print Post
	Kannyaheals wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 12:42pm: Well, I never used anything but empower healing, so I guess I won't notice much difference. As far as figuring out the other shit (numbers make my baby brain hurt), I'm a bit more screwed. Gauntlets of Eternity are now useful again at endgame? Well they have always been useful, as that's what I've been using for ages... The only change I did recently ( as in the last 6 month ) on my main cleric was to swap out extend for quicken after the Shade updates to Epic VON6. Mass Hjeel taking so long to cast, even with maxed concentration I was broken. ( and yes I've hjeeled several E-VON6, Hard/Elite ToDs , Hard MA/LoB without any problem with my Guantlets. With the right group of people you can do almost any content in game at any difficulty ) Now I have a confession to make : Said cleric is Healer maxed, Before U 14 I was standing far away from the fights, because in the melee I was going to end up as a stone pretty quickly. That might help a bit with all the changes to healing.

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pape Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 227 Joined: Oct 30^th, 2010	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #31 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Are the gauntlets great? No. However, I dont like switching gear in game that much - most of the time its because of lag. I hit the gear i want to equip and lag just takes over and effectively cancels it out. So when my divines are in a situation where i know i have to mainly heal (please read as when i just want to pike/heal), i will use the gauntlets of eternity as my devotion boost. Lets me keep the weapon slots open for other spell boosting equipment.


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Kannyaheals Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 320 Location: blarghiminy Joined: Nov 14^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #32 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	Fair enough...I need to bounce around my cleric's gear anyway and figure out what all stacks and what doesn't. Bollocks.


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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #33 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	You'd likely want to find a devotion +102 item. They can be found in the form of staves, clubs, scepters, weapons (rare so far) I also added in a +90 Radiance/+90 impulse item. Radiance for the light spells, impulse for blade barrier damage. The problem I am experiencing with this is a lack in consolidation so far. It's gear swap til you drop, which distracts attention away from being more effective.


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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #34 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 11:46am: The problem is that despite this post there's a pack of fucking idiots that still don't believe that there has been no nerf. And yes don't feel butt hurt nor sorry for all those whiner that farmed alchemical items or whats not because they thought it was the best to have. My Gauntlets of Eternity ( along with all the rest of being a Cleric ) makes mah hjeelah 20% more powerful since the change. Oh and fuck all those idiots that neg repped me because I told them that their TinCan could be healed by the Wizard or the Sorceror instead of being healed by the Cleric. No, no real nerf on heal/mass heal. However the effort made in keeping it in line (mostly) with what has been is restricting. 5 new levels and very little benefit there. It's of no consequence really in the long run, save gear swapping issues. Those who run their divines in a primary party support position are largely unaffected imo. Those who like using a variety of spells, or are melee based have some new hurdles... More than anything though, I am concerned about light/alignment based damage spells. I could be off here, but I've logged onto my Clr and FvS quite a bit lately and notice the reduction. After reading FoS response regarding the archon (which is set at a fixed value) I just PM'd Madfloyd myself with my concerns. Anyway, it really does look like melee variant/caster variant builds have some new issues to contend with.


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #35 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:37pm: You'd likely want to find a devotion +102 item.� They can be found in the form of staves, clubs, scepters, weapons (rare so far) I also added in a +90 Radiance/+90 impulse item.� Radiance for the light spells, impulse for blade barrier damage.� The problem I am experiencing with this is a lack in consolidation so far.� It's gear swap til you drop, which distracts attention away from being more effective. Yeah, this. If I want to raid heal something on my FvS my immediate solution will be to swap in the gauntlets since that slot is either Fabricators or the gloves from the Ravens Eye set, neither of which is that relevant to raids. Or hold my new quarter staff. The Gauntlets allow me to melee better though. Just will depend on the raid. Longer term solution might be the Priestess dagger and the Alchemist Crown since I normally go Cove hat.


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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #36 - Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	pape wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 3:22pm: Are the gauntlets great? No. However, I dont like switching gear in game that much - most of the time its because of lag. I hit the gear i want to equip and lag just takes over and effectively cancels it out. So when my divines are in a situation where i know i have to mainly heal (please read as when i just want to pike/heal), i will use the gauntlets of eternity as my devotion boost. Lets me keep the weapon slots open for other spell boosting equipment. How about headgear slot? Epic mask of comedy and the Epic Shining crest of markus?


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10012 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #37 - Jul 13^th, 2012 at 3:07am	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:37pm: You'd likely want to find a devotion +102 item. They can be found in the form of staves, clubs, scepters, weapons (rare so far) Sadly the only really interesting ones are in Q-staves.... ( +102 Devotion, that's the best I've found so far ) Clubs and scepters seems to be restricted to the +72 range... No gloves, no bracers, no rings, no neckie, no helm... no nothing else. So basically everycleric will have to go carrying a stick if (s)he wants a devotion item. ( and well we all know the worth of sticks in combat and how they add to AC compared to a shield and club/sword ) Madcow430 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:45pm: No, no real nerf on heal/mass heal. However the effort made in keeping it in line (mostly) with what has been is restricting. 5 new levels and very little benefit there. It's of no consequence really in the long run, save gear swapping issues. Those who run their divines in a primary party support position are largely unaffected imo. Those who like using a variety of spells, or are melee based have some new hurdles... I think the problem is here... a lot of people played (semi-)melee FvS... That's why I always say Cleric on the other forum. All the Clerics I've talked to see a small ( to not that small ) improvement. The FvS I've talked to didn't see any change. The problem is that despite MF post people still believe that there has been a nerf. Fucking idiots. Madcow430 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 7:45pm: More than anything though, I am concerned about light/alignment based damage spells. I could be off here, but I've logged onto my Clr and FvS quite a bit lately and notice the reduction. After reading FoS response regarding the archon (which is set at a fixed value) I just PM'd Madfloyd myself with my concerns. Anyway, it really does look like melee variant/caster variant builds have some new issues to contend with. hmm, I haven't checked the light stuff... But I have been quite surprised in the Grave quest in the Forest yesterday... Turn Undead - the most useless cleric ability - worked quite well, and I surprised the hell out of the rest of the party by clearing the first pack of mob before they had time to engage them.

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Kannyaheals Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 320 Location: blarghiminy Joined: Nov 14^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #38 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	Ok, nooblet question. How many different things can I stack together to oomph up my healing? IE does devotion or ardor stack with universal? And alchemical, implement, equipment, etc. all stack together, I assume. But does alchemical ardor/devotion stack with alchemical universal? I'm guessing not.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #39 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	Just get a devotion item. Then use a clicky. Bam, problem solved.

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10012 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #40 - Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	yeah, a Devotion +102 stick, and ardor clickie and your set. If you're lucky you might find a devotion +98 club/scepter... then you can use it instead of the stick, the small decrease in hjeel output will not be obvious enough and that way you can have a board on the other hand ( or another club for say... Negative Energy spells ) The only problem with the +98 club scepter is that they are beyond rare... ( and I've yet to see a +100+ club/scepter. now if you have funky toys like the crown I have on one of my cleric ( +6 Wis, 72 Devotion )...

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pape Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 227 Joined: Oct 30^th, 2010	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #41 - Jul 15^th, 2012 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	arjiwan wrote on Jul 12^th, 2012 at 10:00pm: How about headgear slot?� Epic mask of comedy and the Epic Shining crest of markus? Eventually that might work. Need the gear though before i can equip it. I had come experience in epics prior to U14, i never ran enough of the to get a an epic item made.


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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #42 - Jul 15^th, 2012 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	Kannyaheals wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Ok, nooblet question. How many different things can I stack together to oomph up my healing? IE does devotion or ardor stack with universal? And alchemical, implement, equipment, etc. all stack together, I assume. But does alchemical ardor/devotion stack with alchemical universal? I'm guessing not. My FvS, Brothanumsi uses the following so far for healing: +102 Devotion Sickle Greater Ardor Pot from House P Typically he's getting 655 out of a heal cast on himself. 1,134 on mass heal. Now, he has improved recovery 1 (10%)/Purple Dragon Knight Gloves (30%)/Ship Buff (10%). So, even a small investment in healing amp from your party members is a good thing. It's one of the reasons why I say that the numbers are good, and heal/mass heal isn't really nerfed. It's potiental to go further due to caster level increase has been limited is all. Numbers are still good. The Auction house on Khyber currently has a Helm that's +96 devotion (min lvl 22), along with a couple of min lvl 22 scepters that are +96 devotion. That's a better result than Epicing out a Mask of Comedy actually. You just have to shop and hope for lucky pulls is all... Finding items that consolidate what you need is the hard part. I saw a really nice Scepter the other day I couldn't afford. +102 devotion/Greter Necro Focus. There was another with I think +102 radiance/Greater Evocation Focus. So, they are out there


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Kannyaheals Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 320 Location: blarghiminy Joined: Nov 14^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #43 - Jul 15^th, 2012 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	OG..I have to shop. Ew. lol Ok, awesome info, thanks. Madcow430 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 4:39pm: My FvS, Brothanumsi uses the following so far for healing: +102 Devotion Sickle Greater Ardor Pot from House P Typically he's getting 655 out of a heal cast on himself.� 1,134 on mass heal. Now, he has improved recovery 1 (10%)/Purple Dragon Knight Gloves (30%)/Ship Buff (10%).� So, even a small investment in healing amp from your party members is a good thing.� It's one of the reasons why I say that the numbers are good, and heal/mass heal isn't really nerfed.� It's potiental to go further due to caster level increase has been limited is all.� Numbers are still good. The Auction house on Khyber currently has a Helm that's +96 devotion (min lvl 22), along with a couple of min lvl 22 scepters that are +96 devotion.� That's a better result than Epicing out a Mask of Comedy actually.� You just have to shop and hope for lucky pulls is all... Finding items that consolidate what you need is the hard part.� I saw a really nice Scepter the other day I couldn't afford.� +102 devotion/Greter Necro Focus.� There was another with I think +102 radiance/Greater Evocation Focus.� So, they are out there�


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Calvet Puppy Farmer Offline I take stroke pills! Posts: 1497 Location: United Kingdom Joined: Dec 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #44 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:55am	Print Post
	The holy symbol of Lolth is good for people who hate swapping (Some will always be needed, but can keep it to a sane level). Can weild a weapon with Devotion (I'm sacrificng 12 sp using Alchemical) and whatever in the other (Using skiver for lore and archmagi atm. 3 slots to have :- All static spell power angles covered. Archmagi. Greater Arcane Lore. Few other bits n bobs depending on your alch weapon or shield set up. Minimal swapping.

	Epoch wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:22am: You do what i do when people say I don't have to drink pots? I dot the boss and use BBs on the trash and say, " Aww shucks, im outta sp." Quote: Now I am a very bad cleric. I just wait like a vulture for everyone to die. Light a man a fire and he will be warm for the night.� Light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
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Laraeph Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 131 Joined: May 4^th, 2012	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #45 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 7:51am	Print Post
	Calvet wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:55am: The holy symbol of Lolth is good for people who hate swapping (Some will always be needed, but can keep it to a sane level). Can weild a weapon with Devotion (I'm sacrificng 12 sp using Alchemical) and whatever in the other (Using skiver for lore and archmagi atm. 3 slots to have :- All static spell power angles covered. Archmagi. Greater Arcane Lore. Few other bits n bobs depending on your alch weapon or shield set up. Minimal swapping. That's what my FvS is doing as well, except I'm using a greensteel conc-opp in main hand (20% heal amp, +2 insight con). (Greater) arcane lore is on Bracelet of madness or Noxious embers, depending on the situation, and the ToD Rakhir's set. That trinket is simply awsome.


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Calvet Puppy Farmer Offline I take stroke pills! Posts: 1497 Location: United Kingdom Joined: Dec 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #46 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	Laraeph wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 7:51am: That's what my FvS is doing as well, except I'm using a greensteel conc-opp in main hand (20% heal amp, +2 insight con). (Greater) arcane lore is on Bracelet of madness or Noxious embers, depending on the situation, and the ToD Rakhir's set. That trinket is simply awsome. Yeah, had to sacrifice Litany for it, but worth it I think.

	Epoch wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:22am: You do what i do when people say I don't have to drink pots? I dot the boss and use BBs on the trash and say, " Aww shucks, im outta sp." Quote: Now I am a very bad cleric. I just wait like a vulture for everyone to die. Light a man a fire and he will be warm for the night.� Light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #47 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	My melee FvS is gonna have to stick to the gloves. Don't have room for a devotion stick with a fucking greatsword. I wish there would be other viable devotion equipment for alternate build types.


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Calvet Puppy Farmer Offline I take stroke pills! Posts: 1497 Location: United Kingdom Joined: Dec 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #48 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	Quote: My melee FvS is gonna have to stick to the gloves.� Don't have room for a devotion stick with a fucking greatsword.� I wish there would be other viable devotion equipment for alternate build types. I heard a ToD ring with Devotion is ok for melee Fvs.� I don't have one or even know the numbers, just something I read somewhere. You could replace your gloves with the new purple dragon ones then maybe for +7 str +2 excep con and 30% heal amp? (Easy to farm).
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	Epoch wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:22am: You do what i do when people say I don't have to drink pots? I dot the boss and use BBs on the trash and say, " Aww shucks, im outta sp." Quote: Now I am a very bad cleric. I just wait like a vulture for everyone to die. Light a man a fire and he will be warm for the night.� Light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: MadFloyd: Healing and Spell Power Reply #49 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Quote: My melee FvS is gonna have to stick to the gloves.� Don't have room for a devotion stick with a fucking greatsword.� I wish there would be other viable devotion equipment for alternate build types. http://ddowiki.com/page/Alchemist's_Crown and then Potency on the fruitloop bracers from Hound? But yeah, more options needed.


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