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whothefuckami Stormreaver Piker Offline Oppan Gangnam Style Posts: 599 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010	Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=397357 Want +5 tomes? You better run a loot gem, son.

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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #1 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	Why is Feather of Sun still a thing?


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Bill Z Bubb Boobies Controller Offline I only know three chords! Posts: 1238 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #2 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:41pm	Print Post
	Quote: Quote:Originally Posted by ThePrisoner in response to the "This is false until proven true," comments, you can just as easily say "This is true until proven false." This is true. Actually, Vargouille, it's not true unless you're giving us permission to follow the loot table data to verify.� Otherwise, we have to take your word for it that you all can actually code accurately.

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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #3 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	I'm confused, or tired, or something. So if someone pulls a tome upgrade, you can't use it unless you've already used a tome for that ability score. Right? And I'm unclear on how it works - if it's an upgrade to +4 ability for example, do you have to have had a +3 tome already eaten, or will a +2 work? It sounds like the first. If that all is the case, this seems like a screw you more than a good thing, since while the drop rates might be upped, the necessity to have two things (tome and upgrade) and the percentage taken up with upgrades instead of straight up tomes that would have done the same thing. Am I reading that right, or am I an idiot?

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Zhalian Dragon Raider Offline Drama is best served fresh. Posts: 280 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #4 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	I think you are reading it correctly and my personal bet is +4 tomes appear in the store right after these go live.

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Dhalgren Big Sexy Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 282 Joined: Aug 2^nd, 2011	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #5 - Nov 7^th, 2012 at 9:15pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 8:42pm: I'm confused, or tired, or something. So if someone pulls a tome upgrade, you can't use it unless you've already used a tome for that ability score. Right? And I'm unclear on how it works - if it's an upgrade to +4 ability for example, do you have to have had a +3 tome already eaten, or will a +2 work? It sounds like the first. If that all is the case, this seems like a screw you more than a good thing, since while the drop rates might be upped, the necessity to have two things (tome and upgrade) and the percentage taken up with upgrades instead of straight up tomes that would have done the same thing. Am I reading that right, or am I an idiot? That's how I read it. Not terribly happy about it.


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scraap Ex Member	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #6 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 12:56am	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 8:42pm: I'm confused, or tired, or something. So if someone pulls a tome upgrade, you can't use it unless you've already used a tome for that ability score. Right? And I'm unclear on how it works - if it's an upgrade to +4 ability for example, do you have to have had a +3 tome already eaten, or will a +2 work? It sounds like the first. If that all is the case, this seems like a screw you more than a good thing, since while the drop rates might be upped, the necessity to have two things (tome and upgrade) and the percentage taken up with upgrades instead of straight up tomes that would have done the same thing. Am I reading that right, or am I an idiot? ~ 1/444 to go from any old +x to a +4 tome, ~1/1332 to go +4 to +5 using the "1/333 are tomes of any kind, and 25% are upgrades instead of flats" info provided.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #7 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 9:02am	Print Post
	From what I understand, the overall drop rate has been bumped up for +3's and +4's. Also, they have added to the table such that the list of +3's now includes +3 to +4 upgrades. And the list of +4's now includes +4 to +5 upgrades. So, they did not replace the +4 tomes in the +4 section with +3 to +4 upgrade tomes (Which would be worse). They added +4 to +5's. Thus, where today you would get a +3 tome in u16 you could get either a +3 or a +3 to +4 upgrade. And where today you get a +4 you could get a +4 or a +4 to +5 upgrade in u16. Overall there will be more tomes and more options, but I think you will not see +4 tomes in the store soon. I think you will see +3 to +4 upgrade tomes in the store soon.


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Bill Z Bubb Boobies Controller Offline I only know three chords! Posts: 1238 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #8 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 10:13am	Print Post
	Can someone help me figure out why there are upgrade tomes at all? Seems to me, the only reason would be to create a big prick tease for the players since you have to have already applied the prior level's worth of tome before you can use the upgrade.

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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #9 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 10:52am	Print Post
	They'll start selling an item in the store that allows you to bypass the pre-req of having the appropriate tome.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #10 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 12:57pm	Print Post
	Bill Z Bubb wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 10:13am: Can someone help me figure out why there are upgrade tomes at all?� Seems to me, the only reason would be to create a big prick tease for the players since you have to have already applied the prior level's worth of tome before you can use the upgrade. So, let me get this straight, they modify the loot table so that where +3's used to drop you can now get +3's OR +3-to-+4 upgrades and this is a bad thing?� A "prick tease"?� I've pulled probably 20 or so +3's since U14 dropped.� I can't use any of them as I've got +3's on all my toons.� So now, rather than another +3 tome that I can AH for 550-600kpp or trade, some of those will allow me to take my current stats to a +4?� I'm all for that.� Where +4's used to drop you can now also get +4-to-+5 upgrades?� Again.� What's the downside? And the drop rate increased.� This is bad? You are getting better access to +4's and +5's than you had in U16.� I fail to see the problem.� For me, a +3 to +4 upgrade is as good as a +4.�
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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 12:57pm: So, let me get this straight, they modify the loot table so that where +3's used to drop you can now get +3's OR +3-to-+4 upgrades and this is a bad thing?� A "prick tease"?� I've pulled probably 20 or so +3's since U14 dropped.� I can't use any of them as I've got +3's on all my toons.� So now, some of those will allow me to take my current stats to a +4?� I'm all for that.� Where +4's used to drop you can now also get +4-to-+5 upgrades?� Again.� What's the downside? And the drop rate increased.� This is bad? You are getting better access to +4's and +5's than you had in U16.� I fail to see the problem.� For me, a +3 to +4 upgrade is as good as a +4.� Because a lot of us don't have a ton of +3 tomes. So let's say someone pulls a +3 to +4 upgrade, but they only have +2 tomes eaten. That upgrade is useless, whereas the actual +4 tome would be able to be used. Same with +4 to +5. You forget that there are a lot of players without access to the loot and plat that you have.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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scraap Ex Member	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #12 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm: Because a lot of us don't have a ton of +3 tomes. So let's say someone pulls a +3 to +4 upgrade, but they only have +2 tomes eaten. That upgrade is useless, whereas the actual +4 tome would be able to be used. Same with +4 to +5. You forget that there are a lot of players without access to the loot and plat that you have. Honestly, if Feathers math is accurate (stop laughing), raw +xs look to be staying at roughly the same drop-rate.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #13 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm: Because a lot of us don't have a ton of +3 tomes. So let's say someone pulls a +3 to +4 upgrade, but they only have +2 tomes eaten. That upgrade is useless, whereas the actual +4 tome would be able to be used. Same with +4 to +5. You forget that there are a lot of players without access to the loot and plat that you have. If you pull an unbound +3 to +4 upgrade and can't use it, find me in game. I'll give you 3 +3's of your choice for it. And I wouldn't be the only one. That's how it works with the new loot table. Instead of that, (with the current loot tables) you could have had a single +3 tome. Which one is better for you? Now, I agree, if they replaced the +3's with +4's straight up in the loot table that would be better than this. But also probably too much, too fast. This is a middle ground. Incremental increases that help everyone.


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Dhalgren Big Sexy Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 282 Joined: Aug 2^nd, 2011	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #14 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:16pm: If you pull an unbound +3 to +4 upgrade and can't use it, find me in game.� I'll give you 3 +3's of your choice for it.� And I wouldn't be the only one.� That's how it works with the new loot table. Instead of that, (with the current loot tables) you could have had a single +3 tome. Which one is better for you? Now, I agree, if they replaced the +3's with +4's straight up in the loot table that would be better than this.� But also probably too much, too fast.� This is a middle ground.� Incremental increases that help everyone.� � Getting happier.


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whothefuckami Stormreaver Piker Offline Oppan Gangnam Style Posts: 599 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #15 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	Bill Z Bubb wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 10:13am: Can someone help me figure out why there are upgrade tomes at all?� Seems to me, the only reason would be to create a big prick tease for the players since you have to have already applied the prior level's worth of tome before you can use the upgrade. Because some people that pull a +2 to +3 upgrade will probably buy a store +2 tome.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #16 - Nov 8^th, 2012 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	That's the tinfoil hat way to look at it. The reality is that it makes sense. If these are unbound, there will be a market for them, just like +3 and +4. They will be somewhat less in price than a +4. Since they drop in the +3 tomes loot table, they will be more plentiful. The reality is, this change will allow more people to get to +4's without grinding a select few EE chests for a very shitty drop rate.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #17 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 7:05am	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 1:00pm: Because a lot of us don't have a ton of +3 tomes. You aren't trying. The game shits out +3 tomes.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #18 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 7:14am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 7:05am: You aren't trying. The game shits out +3 tomes. Indeed, if you only run shit on epic hard you will have +3's coming out your ass. Fuck, I'm starting to run out of guildies' mules to pass them to.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #19 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 8:56am	Print Post
	And now those will be +3 to +4 upgrades instead of just +3 tomes. It's great that you can get this from EH content. I do feel bad for Fawngate. Poor bastard just paid 16 reds for a +4 tome. Two weeks later the ability to get a +4 inherent will be dropping like candy.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 8:56am: I do feel bad for Fawngate.� Poor bastard just paid 16 reds for a +4 tome.� Two weeks later the ability to get a +4 inherent will be dropping like candy. I do not feel bad for Fawngate. He was warned +4 tomes in the store were coming. He ignored those warnings.
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #21 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	True. He thinks that they will not be in the store until +6 tomes drop in game. Lol. Clearly he doesn't know DDO.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #22 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 1:19pm: True.� He thinks that they will not be in the store until +6 tomes drop in game.� Lol.� Clearly he doesn't know DDO. Indeed. That is why a laugh at him instead of feel sorry for him.

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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #23 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	bah, all this incorrect info. pls read rodrak's postings. these upgrades will be bta, so no selling them. places where you could get unbound +4's changed. furthermore, the % chance of getting these tomes will be lower overall. its dungeons and visa card online. any who think otherwise is just a moron.


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Dungeons and Loot Gems Online Reply #24 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 7:14am: Indeed, if you only run shit on epic hard you will have +3's coming out your ass. Fuck, I'm starting to run out of guildies' mules to pass them to. I do, and I have never pulled one out of there. I've gotten them a few times out of Shroud and a couple other places, but not many. My loot luck is for shit.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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