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Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am
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here me out.
so. I'm sitting there staring at my gimp wizard. it's gimp cause it's lv4.

The basic rouge2, then wizard. for umd and evasion. Nothing new. Then I start thinking. This is rarely a good thing.

So. if I rouge the first two levels. Wizard untill 10.
and then take 6 levels of ranger.
...

I could take tempest1, get improved dual wield, and at 18 take greater via a normal feat.
Getting the 17dex is easy. 13 starting dex, I already had.
+1human enhancement, +1 rouge. and +2 ranger.
that'll put me at the 17 I need, and I can dump my points into str as I level. for slightly better to hit/damage.

Now, from how I'm looking at it. pale master and tempest. dual wielding the typical Khopesh, in either vampire or wraith form, depending.

toss up all of the wizard buffs, bring out a summon for fodder.

think it'll work? I dunno. sounds legit on paper.

granted, with a base 14 str, +6 gear, and +6 from tenser/vampire form to make it 26 without tomes.

now, it'll give me 6th level spells, and most of the spells I'll be tossing around will be buffs.
feat wise will be tight, I need dodge, mobility, and spring attack. + proficiency for the khopesh, and g-twf.
that gives me 4 feats +3 meta magic feats.
eschew(I'm cheap) mental toughness, improved mental, extend. 3 feats left. so, weapon focus, and some crit feats at higher level.

basically, spend two hours buffing up. toss a fire wall, and jump around stabbing things in said fire wall, spam the lv4 spell for extra healing if I need it.

I won't be nuking anything super hard, or tossing do or dies.
Just. dicking about in combat.

on a scale of 1-10, how bad is this idea? :3c

  
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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:12am
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I should mention. I'm ftp onry. cause I'm poor, cheap, and far too lazy to farm enough space bucks to do jack shit with. though I could buy myself a lv5 hire and laugh as two npc clerics stand around watching me die. Instead of just one.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:19am
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If 1 is bad and 10 is awful, I'd give it an 8.
  
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I did this before, I would not suggest it for a f2p first life character, and even if you have all the gear I still wouldn't suggest it unless you really want to do it
  
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Inkblack wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:19am:
If 1 is bad and 10 is awful, I'd give it an 8.


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I'm probably wrong, but I don't think enhancements work for feat prerequisites.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 3:37am
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JoJI wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:20am:
I'm probably wrong, but I don't think enhancements work for feat prerequisites. 


they dont

as for the build sounds like your typical lets roll a dice for what class i should take my next level up
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Reply #9 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 4:05am
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Seiko wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am:
13 starting dex


For some reason I just could not get past this.

Why in gods name would you have ANY points at all in dex?
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 4:23am
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your first mistake was going rogue at first and second level.

take rogue at 1, then put off the second rogue level till 13, wraith form is the shit.

secondly, dump dex to 8, pick up insightful reflexes, rangers bypass dex required feats, and you can use int instead of dex for reflex, there's really no reason at all for you to have it.

thirdly, forget about gtwf, it's not worth the points you'd spend on dex, and you need to rule out your enhancements, only base stat + inherant bonuses count towards feat requirements.

lastly, i reckon a 12wiz, 5rogue, 3ari would be a better splash, the sneak attack, and elemental weapons with a 2hander would probably be a better mix than 2wf for a newer player.
  

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random110 wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 4:05am:
For some reason I just could not get past this.

Why in gods name would you have ANY points at all in dex?


most likely the character generation still states that a high dex is a viable means of defense
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 5:39am
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most likely the character generation still states that a high dex is a viable means of defense


More like not knowing about how insightful reflexes works.  I know I didn't for awhile.  I also didn't realize that taking 6 ranger gives you twf/itwf regardless of the listed dex requirement in the feat description.

He's level 4.  Very little lost in a reroll.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 7:11am
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Seiko wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am:
here me out


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Reply #14 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 8:07am
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Someone's been looking at the HordoBuild Play Book...and we all know just how well that turns out...




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Reply #15 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 9:21am
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Someone's been looking at the HordoBuild Play Book...and we all know just how well that turns out...




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EDIT: BTW I love your post.  It reads as if English is your 3rd language behind gibberish and dipshit.


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Reply #16 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 9:37am
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Hordo wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 8:07am:
Someone's been looking at the HordoBuild Play Book...and we all know just how well that turns out...




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EDIT: BTW I love your post.  It reads as if English is your 3rd language behind gibberish and dipshit.


I am quite fluent in dipshit. I hear it all day long at work. Usually they just tell me to shut the fuck up.  Grin
  
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Shoulda mentioned, I never listen to them.
  
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Hordo wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 8:07am:
Someone's been looking at the HordoBuild Play Book...and we all know just how well that turns out...




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EDIT: BTW I love your post.  It reads as if English is your 3rd language behind gibberish and dipshit.


Atleast he didn't post in Kawai
  
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Atleast he didn't post in Kawai



The fact that he didn't do that may actually be the best proof of Providence yet.
  

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A++ would rouge again
  
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Reply #22 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 11:48am
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Seiko wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:07am:
here me out.
so. I'm sitting there staring at my gimp wizard. it's gimp cause it's lv4.
No, it's gimp because you took dex and two levels of rogue.  FSM help  you if you also have that much strength.
The basic rouge2, then wizard. for umd and evasion. Nothing new. Then I start thinking. This is rarely a good thing.
Obviously.
So. if I rouge the first two levels. Wizard untill 10.
Wrong.
and then take 6 levels of ranger.
No.  Just no.
...

I could take tempest1, get improved dual wield, and at 18 take greater via a normal feat.
Nope.  You won't have the BAB.  Try 22.
Getting the 17dex is easy. 13 starting dex, I already had.
+1human enhancement, +1 rouge. and +2 ranger.
Nope.  See above comments.
that'll put me at the 17 I need, and I can dump my points into str as I level. for slightly better to hit/damage.
Not if you intend to get your dexterity to GTWF  levels.
Now, from how I'm looking at it. pale master and tempest. dual wielding the typical Khopesh, in either vampire or wraith form, depending.
Don't bother with the kopesh until you have imp crit:slashing (at lvl 18)
toss up all of the wizard buffs, bring out a summon for fodder.

think it'll work? I dunno. sounds legit on paper.
You need better paper.
granted, with a base 14 str, +6 gear, and +6 from tenser/vampire form to make it 26 without tomes.
Sadly, I've played a weaker ranger.
now, it'll give me 6th level spells, and most of the spells I'll be tossing around will be buffs.
You could always cast ram's might.  FOM is nerfed to Hell.  The rest you can cast as a wizard.
feat wise will be tight, I need dodge, mobility, and spring attack. + proficiency for the khopesh, and g-twf.
Kopesh is pointless without imp crit:slash
that gives me 4 feats +3 meta magic feats.
eschew(I'm cheap) mental toughness, improved mental, extend. 3 feats left. so, weapon focus, and some crit feats at higher level.
eschew is easily gimpy enough for this build, imp. Mental toughness is even worse.  Weapon focus is only worthwhile if you are so gimped you can't hit the mobs otherwise (an honest possibility for this gimp.
basically, spend two hours buffing up. toss a fire wall, and jump around stabbing things in said fire wall, spam the lv4 spell for extra healing if I need it.

I won't be nuking anything super hard, or tossing do or dies.
While wasting stats on dextertity and spending on strength, what could you land?
Just. dicking about in combat.
Which you could barely do anyway.
on a scale of 1-10, how bad is this idea? :3c


If you really want to play a D&D gish, I suggest going to grand old games and picking up Baldur's Gate 2.  Start a high strength max int toon on fighter, switch over to wizard at level 9, then raid the spell stores so you can quickly level by learning spells.  It just don't work in DDO.

Step one, dump it.
Step two, figure out what you want.  And pare down everything else.
You have too many high stats even if you want to dump int.  You should either dump dex and skip tempest or go fighter (you really don't want TWF it is too expensive and nerfed  to Hell).
It boggles the mind that you want a ranger.  All the DPS of a paladin and you can't even use those heals in undead form.  Also you are spending three feats for a <5% DPS increase when you don't have any DPS to increase.  If you have a pair of greensteel khopeshes it might make sense, otherwise forget it.

TL;DR
Reroll your 4th level paletrapper correctly: dump dex, 2nd rogue level at 9, etc.  Stick to cookie cutter builds until you at least know what the feats do and what the requirements are.
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Reply #23 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:58pm
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random110 wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 4:05am:
For some reason I just could not get past this.

Why in gods name would you have ANY points at all in dex?

You should ask Snootch this. He is a HUGE proponent of DEX.  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 7:57pm
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random110 wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 4:05am:
For some reason I just could not get past this.

Why in gods name would you have ANY points at all in dex?

The Tempest pre requires Dodge, which requires a dex of 13.
  
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