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Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:43pm
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Thinking about revamping my pure WF Wizzy AM to a Shiradi EVO caster with the free LR. Any tips on feats and gear and etc? I've thought about +3ing to 2 rogue split and using Insightful Reflex to help in Tor and shit.

Thoughts? Suggestions? I suck as a caster, but I need something to farm with I guess. Smrti can't do solo EE unfortunately.
  

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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 4:52pm
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Check out sergod's build he posted on the DDO forums. Dunno how good it is, but it's about the only wiz build I've seen posted.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:12pm
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Most prefer monk over rogue for the feats.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:53pm
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The feat breakdown on my 18/2 AM is as follows

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell

Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate

Level 4 (Wizard)

Level 5 (Wizard)

Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation

Level 7 (Wizard)

Level 8 (Wizard)

Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes

Level 10 (Wizard)

Level 11 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell

Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation

Level 13 (Wizard)

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 16 (Wizard)

Level 17 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell

Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration

Level 19 (Wizard)

Level 20 (Wizard)

Level 21 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness

Level 22 (Wizard)

Level 23 (Wizard)

Level 24 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Mental Toughness


It's ~125sp and 30hp behind Zergods build, But I love 3sp webs, and not relying on others for traps.
  

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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:59pm
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rest wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:12pm:
Most prefer monk over rogue for the feats.


How many extra feats does a Wizard need? I could understand that on a Sorc, but Wizard?
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:29pm
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Smrti wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:59pm:
How many extra feats does a Wizard need? I could understand that on a Sorc, but Wizard?


For a general loot farming character, you're probably going to want something that can disable traps.  If you're just aiming for Tor, then you shouldn't need to worry about it. 

Rogue is nice for the evasion, artificer can also work if you aren't generally using quarterstaffs(can't equip a rune arm with one), and the monk splash would have an extra toughness feat or something along those lines to play with.
  

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Munkenmo wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 5:53pm:
But I love 3sp webs, and not relying on others for traps.

What's your conjuration at in Shiradi, worth it ?
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 10:52pm
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If you really think you need traps or locks, you can bring a hire. They can get pretty much everything even on EE. Or bring a dualbox.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:00pm
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Traps/Locks aren't my aim. The goal is high Reflex and Evasion. And UMD kind of. I might go Monk too though, we'll see.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2013 at 1:26pm
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Wipe wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 8:52pm:
What's your conjuration at in Shiradi, worth it ?


i have 3 cleric lives, 54conj dc.  it's not no fail, but with how cheap they are, i put spiderman to shame.

@ CDR I know i could just get a rogue hireling, but I don't personally think the extra hp and sp is worth the hassle.
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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2013 at 9:27pm
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Smrti wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:59pm:
How many extra feats does a Wizard need? I could understand that on a Sorc, but Wizard?



All of them!
It means you can take extend if you want to bother with it. And maybe dodge. Getting your wizard's dodge into double digits is awesome.
  
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rest wrote on Mar 22nd, 2013 at 9:27pm:
All of them!
It means you can take extend if you want to bother with it. And maybe dodge. Getting your wizard's dodge into double digits is awesome.


Got a build for me? I'm all ears.
  

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Smrti wrote on Mar 22nd, 2013 at 10:34pm:
Got a build for me? I'm all ears.


I haven't sat down and put one together. This is purely conjecture. My evasion wizard is soley for the past life feat. 11 more FoT and 9 more CitW and I'm back to FvS.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 9:23am
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Smrti wrote on Mar 21st, 2013 at 7:59pm:
How many extra feats does a Wizard need? I could understand that on a Sorc, but Wizard?


Potentially a 2 monk split can grab a staff and remain centered.  That's a possible +2 to saves or con.

After being really frustrated with being a dc necro in gianthold I finally broke down and tr'd him.  Just hit level 24 again and it's been a blast.  Even my own guildies are commenting about my inadvertent kill stealing.

It's a shame really imo, because I always liked playing a wiz that gift wrapped mobs and killed a great number of them.  Or controlled all the trash during boss fights.  Now I just kill everything when not in EE GH.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 9:40am
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I used Zergod's post as a basis, but with my own tweaking:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=411885

For me I went:
Warforged Race
18Int
18Con
Split the rest between Chr/Wis

Feats:
Toughness (Monk Feat)Level 1
Toughness (Monk Feat)Level 10

Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Extend
Quicken Spell
Enlarge Spell
Spell Focus: Evocation
Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Mental Toughness
Improved Mental Toughness
Insightful Reflexes
Wizard Past Life
Epic Toughness
Epic Mental Toughness

Active Twists atm:
Energy Burst
Draconic Reflex one
Exalted Angel sp one

Wearing shit gear he's got 3100 something sp.  Killing mobs is exponentially cheaper using meta'd sla's.  I no longer cringe when people start asking for multiple buffs because I'm not potientially oom two encounters into the quest.

Turbine really screwed the pooch by raising dc's like they have.  The Shiradi wizard kills faster, and for less sp than grinding for dc's and watching them fail over and over again.

I'll be tweaking more as I regear (no longer human) and such.
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Reply #15 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 3:30pm
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That looks good as a setup. I'll give it a shot.
  

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My Sorc and Wiz are making there way over to Shiradi as well. Both will end up in Blue Scale. I might make the Wiz Evoc/Conj to kep the web spamming.
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:22am
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Felgor wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 8:26pm:
My Sorc and Wiz are making there way over to Shiradi as well. Both will end up in Blue Scale. I might make the Wiz Evoc/Conj to kep the web spamming.


Practically free webs sounds really nice.  Not sure if I can pull that off on half though.  I haven't done the 3 cleric lives with him as of yet.  Going to check it out anyway though as I learned yesterday that the Sorc past life will qualify one for archmage, which in turn will allow me to swap greater evocation for another feat.  Taking conjuration may work well if the dc is reasonable.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:34am
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I'm leveling something very similar to Munkenmo's build (fewer PLs though). My reasons for doing /rog are more due to ease of leveling (he'll need to tr again for wizard PL, so I might as well get the extra XP this life). If I find the conjuration focus ineffective at cap I'll just swap SF: Conjuration into PL: Arcane Prodigy.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 25th, 2013 at 7:58pm
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Madcow430 wrote on Mar 24th, 2013 at 9:40am:
I used Zergod's post as a basis, but with my own tweaking:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=411885

For me I went:
Warforged Race
18Int
18Con
Split the rest between Chr/Wis

Feats:
Toughness (Monk Feat)Level 1
Toughness (Monk Feat)Level 10

Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Extend
Quicken Spell
Enlarge Spell
Spell Focus: Evocation
Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Mental Toughness
Improved Mental Toughness
Insightful Reflexes
Wizard Past Life
Epic Toughness
Epic Mental Toughness

Active Twists atm:
Energy Burst
Draconic Reflex one
Exalted Angel sp one

Wearing shit gear he's got 3100 something sp.  Killing mobs is exponentially cheaper using meta'd sla's.  I no longer cringe when people start asking for multiple buffs because I'm not potientially oom two encounters into the quest.

Turbine really screwed the pooch by raising dc's like they have.  The Shiradi wizard kills faster, and for less sp than grinding for dc's and watching them fail over and over again.

I'll be tweaking more as I regear (no longer human) and such.

Why Enlarge? 

What, no Sorcerer past life feat for another 105 SP? Smiley 
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 25th, 2013 at 8:38pm
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enlarge is a lot handier than i thought. i have it on my wiz and use it in citw and fot.

of course i kick myself in the ass if i forget to turn it off Sad
  
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Carpone wrote on Mar 25th, 2013 at 7:58pm:
Why Enlarge? 

What, no Sorcerer past life feat for another 105 SP? Smiley 


It seems really counter intuitive on the surface; but I've found that using the sla's with enlarge to be pretty fun.  The range for the missile spells is pretty limited imo.  Enlarge allows you to set up shop and bring them back to it.  Or perch and kill from further away.  But I often use it to pull boss mobs into aoe where I want them.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 12:43am
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Madcow430 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 12:14am:
It seems really counter intuitive on the surface; but I've found that using the sla's with enlarge to be pretty fun.  The range for the missile spells is pretty limited imo.  Enlarge allows you to set up shop and bring them back to it.  Or perch and kill from further away.  But I often use it to pull boss mobs into aoe where I want them.


Doing FoT last night on my Sorc and I could certainly justify Enlarge on my Wizard as a Shiradi AM Evoker...getting double the range on cheap force spells would be great.
  

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Reply #23 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 1:09pm
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Felgor wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 12:43am:
Doing FoT last night on my Sorc and I could certainly justify Enlarge on my Wizard as a Shiradi AM Evoker...getting double the range on cheap force spells would be great.


Yes, it works for that as well.  I'm trying to see if I can manage a feat swap.  I'd like to swap greater evo focus for sorc past life.  Hopefully that works, and it would be more ideal.  I'm told that the sorc past life works for archmage I.  So perhaps swapping base evo focus for that and doing the required respeccing of enhancements.  I'll try it out sometime today.
  
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Madcow430 wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 1:09pm:
Yes, it works for that as well.  I'm trying to see if I can manage a feat swap.  I'd like to swap greater evo focus for sorc past life.  Hopefully that works, and it would be more ideal.  I'm told that the sorc past life works for archmage I.  So perhaps swapping base evo focus for that and doing the required respeccing of enhancements.  I'll try it out sometime today.

Greater Evocation Focus is a requirement for Evocation III enhancement (Chain Missiles SLA).
  
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