Who didn't see that coming. I agree with Ape Man's point about the timer. As borked as collectables are, people chugging in game potions won't be a serious issue to cut into profitability.

Madcow430 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:


IIRC they've stated it will be reduced to something more reasonable with U18, and the traders for healing elixirs were for the Red Fens pearls, the Necropolis items and some of the Lordsmarch collectables. I never saw them acknowledge the problem with the Undead trader for a chance of Harm scrolls, but confess I haven't looked too closely.

Now they may think 25 is reasonable...

HP gained not dependent on caster level of the potion? Iron Stomachs deserve better!

Unless they change things dramatically again, it's better than I would have thought. I did like the free cure moderate wands from Kipling to supplement healing. But it will provide some nice access to self healing and Buffing for everyone.

Asheras wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

Wrong.

Right:
The griping about the store timer vs. in game timer is a symptom of community distrust in how Turbine has chosen to monetize the game.

spathic wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:


Double Meh.  The pots suck.  I wouldn't use them on any of my toons.  They don't come close to SF pots.  People are just too lazy to grind 400 SF favor.  Which doesn't even suck that bad since they added the Web of Chaos series.  You can totally skip Necro 3.  So, if Turbine wants to sell pots that suck worse than what you can get in game to people who don't want to get favor, it's not p2win.  It's convenience.  And it pays the bills for everyone else.  Monetizing the game = pays the bills for the game.  This isn't you and your buddies playing PnP D&D at your dining room table.  Someone has to pay for everything.  People need to stop acting like it's vulgar or inappropriate for Turbine to monetize the game.  WTF do they think this is?  Turbine is not a 501c.  You don't get service hours for playing or a tax deduction for your subscription.

The only really P2Win items:

Tomes of Fate (not available in game)
Otto's Boxes (a fast forward button that you can't get in game)

But neither of those really affect the game challenge even minutely.  The biggest P2Win item:

Superior Mana Pots (600-800 mana per potion.  Not obtainable in game.)   Normal pot cool down timer.  The single most OP, dumbing down item in the game.  Bar none.  Unlimited mana reduces the challenge of the game by two orders of magnitude.  Minimum.  Nothing else even compares.  Unless they brought out healing pots that healed 800 HP per pop (before amp) with normal pot cool down timer.  That would be the only thing worse. 

Might as well make a "God Mode" pot after that.  drink it for 30 seconds of 100% dodge, 100% elemental resist all elements, +50 to all saves, +100 AC, +2000 SP, +1000 HP.  Cooldown timer: 15 seconds.  ML: 1.

Seriously.  Why get worked up over anything that is majorly less OP than superior mana pots or available in game easily.? Until they do something about that everything else is window dressing. 

Grace wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:


Yeah.  I'm exploring possibilities on what to turn Cromix the Cleric, and potientially Brothanumsi/Soulbro into classwise.  Obvs the devs vision of what divines do in DnD do not mirror my years of playing experience.

Grace wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:



I know I'm wierd, but I've postponed playing my cleric until they do the enhancement pass as I'm very much looking forward to what I've read so far.  Although, it plays into my particular playstyle which, granted, is party-centric rather than player-centric.

Asheras wrote on Apr 16^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:


I'd gladly use them *in addition to SF pots* on my Fighter if I could buy them for plat.  Spending TP on them or handing in collectables for them is just craptacular.