I'm behind on the info highway.  Can you direct me to where I can find the new changes coming.  Unless you want to make mention of them here.  Based on your OP it doesn't look like you want to which is fine.  Could you at least point me in the direction of where I can see for myself?

I know stuff is unlikely to change much, but I'm not going to judge until the enhancement pass actually happens and we see how things shake out. My melee cleric has been parked anyway as I TR everyone else, so nothing different for me.

Disavowed wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 11:44am:


My problem in a nutshell is that I've always built my divines to be able to full heal/raid heal *and* either offensive cast or have a melee option.  Some of my better experiments have had all of that.

The new enhancements put short are pigeonholing the class into heal only types.  DC casting has always been behind that of a Wiz, but with the newer content it's not really doable in a group setting.  either high sp costs to prep mobs for a destruct/implosion/slay living/etc or go home.  The mobs are being given whale saves.  60+ dc is pretty freakin' insane in my eyes.

Now it's not that it can't be done at all.  It can, if you have the patience to kite through Symbol of Death while throwing Energy Drains or Enervation from a Scroll.  Time taken and sp used become to significant to expect to also support a party with healing when needed.

Also, Radiant Servant 3 does not exist.  Radiant Servant 2 took it's place and there were a lot of fluff enhancements added which require you to spend 42 of your 80aps or more to get there.  Divine Might, Spell point enhancements, Spell Penetration are just plain gone.  Yeah... removed.

Then you have Domains.  Been waiting quite some time to see them.  So they've taken Domains, which a Cleric gets for free and added them to the enhancements for cost to the player.  They have always been separate entities.  Insult to injury was achieved by only offering healing and protection domains.  But even if you look at those, the higher tier abilities are missing when compared to the PnP Version. 

Earthquake and Storm of Vengence have always been Cleric spells.  Yes, they are shared with other divine classes in the sphere.  However, Turbine introduced these spells with the Druid class and made them exclusive to them. 

In summation:

1. Missing Spells  that other classes have access to.  Many more missing spells they won't introduce into the game.

2. Bastardization of domains into enhancement lines for cost.

3. Missing Domains that offer options to play different types of Clerics.

4. Railroading players into having to spend unnecessary AP for crap that serves no practical purpose or application in game whatsoever.

5. Healing and Protection are only offered, but missing important peices of either domain.

6. Divine Might, SP enhancements, Spell Pen removed.

7. More I am not thinking of on the fly...


For enhancements; I read a ton of threads and sifted and mulled over the posts.  Main thread can be found here:

The Official Cleric Enhancements Discussion Thread!
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414612

There are a high number of splinter threads.  This one was pretty decent:

Concrete example of how multiclassing is more limited
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=414982

As usual the devs have had zero response to concerns raised, suggestions, and player opinion.  Those trying to have a voice are not in unison.  It's like 100 threads maybe spread out, many outside of the lammy threads.  So a lot of feedback is lost as well.  Not that they are listening anyway.

I now have carpal tunnel lol...

Madcow430 wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:


Thanks for the insight MC.  I can see where your frustration comes from.

I'd take advantage of the 3 cleric pl's and start working on wizard ones. I'm thinking toaster AM, either pure or splash rogue if you'd like to trap. Necro/conjuration if you're just going for the PL, evoker/conjuration if you want to have some Shiradi fun at the cap.

I'd definitely get in those wizard pl's right now before they potentially screw up the secondary AM lines. Having that secondary conjuration is huge with your cleric past lives. Get it while the gettin's good.

Darkrok wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 9:53am:


I'll look into this.  Halfdeadd, my necro is currently running around as a Shiradi.  However it wouldn't hurt anything to have another solo capable EE farmer.  My original thought was to do this for Soulbro/Brothanumsi as well.  I just didn't want to have too many versions of the same character essentially.  High possibility of me getting bored.  Soulbro is hammering out a sorc life.  Brothanumsi is probably my least tr'd toon.  Only one tr under his belt.  Also has max possible favor, so he's a placeholder for the others. 

What about Druid?  What does that look like for playability in end game?  I know it's come up in the build forum before, but I'm curious about getting some specifics on a pretty effective EE capable build.

I have to have some variety amongst the characters. 

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:04am:


Do you know how shitty this piece of advice is? 

1 : you mean sleet storm, as ice storm has a save and doesn't provide CC.
2 : there's effectively only 2 offensive conjuration spells in the druid book for shiradi purposes, Splinterbolt and Seeds.
3 : Sleet storm is not enough, couple it with snare.
4: evocation specced is not overrated

Druids don't lend themselves towards shiradi, you're gimping them trying to play as one. 

The best druid build i've done in EE's so far, was a 17/2/1 (2monk, 1wiz), staying centered in fire elemental form.

Everything about druids lends them to being a hybrid, melee / caster. I had a total blast playing mine in elemental form as a hybrid caster spec with moderate melee, and that was as a 34pt build (monk past life)

I'm currently working on 3fighter, 2more monk, 3sorc, and a wiz life for this toon before going back to a 17/2/1 (*enhancement pass depending)

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've already checked out the enhancement pass, and for the most part the 17/2/1 looks better than it is now.  I appreciate your concern though.

Quit theory crafting, go try out your conj spells then come back.

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:29am:

I don't know about that, Xoska on sarlona plays a druid shiradi, and it seems really strong. He seems to stack a bunch of AOEs + earthquake for cc/procs.

AtomicMew wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:


BB is not "almost never used", it is never used. Spells in shiradi are much more effective than auto attack, and for the most part i don't think it can be called auto attack... it's not like you can stand and take a beating in EE. Their DPS isn't what I'd call a fuckton either. The reason why they are so popular (besides being quite an original split) is because they meet endgame's requirements: Defense & self healing over DPS.

from an outside's eye, both you and munken are right and wrong at the same time.

granted i haven't played ddo in 2 months, but generally it's the content that induces the builds. The enh. pass won't have a huge impact on builds... not like EDs at least. But for example if the next content released doesn't require to have super awesome saves and a reasonable amount of PRR, you'll see more heavy hitter types running around.. less jugs (hybrids), and more barbarians/fighters/rogues....