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Shuriken Build
May 25th, 2013 at 1:41pm
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This build would play in shiradi (for whirling wrists and double rainbow), with Haste Boost, Crit Damage, and A Dance of Flowers twisted. Looking for thoughts/critiques (beyond "Shuriken builds are gimp!!")

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Level 25 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(20 Monk / 5 Epic)
Hit Points: 387
Spell Points: 1236924

BAB: 15/15/20/25/25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 19
Will: 20

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats
(34 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 25)
Strength           14                18
Dexterity          16                25
Constitution       15                18
Intelligence        8                11
Wisdom             16                26
Charisma            8                11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 2
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 2
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 2
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 2
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 2
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 2
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 10
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 10
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 10
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14

              Starting      Feat/Enhancement
             Base Skills  Modified Skills
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 25)
Balance            7              34
Bluff              -1             5
Concentration      6              45
Diplomacy          -1             27
Disable Device     n/a            n/a
Haggle             -1             5
Heal               3              13
Hide               3              12
Intimidate         -1             5
Jump               5              17
Listen             3              13
Move Silently      3              12
Open Lock          n/a            n/a
Perform            n/a            n/a
Repair             -1             5
Search             -1             5
Spot               7              35
Swim               2              9
Tumble             4              20
Use Magic Device   n/a            5

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Human Bonus) Shuriken Expertise
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist

Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge

Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot

Level 4 (Monk)

Level 5 (Monk)

Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw

Level 7 (Monk)

Level 8 (Monk)

Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 10 (Monk)

Level 11 (Monk)

Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons

Level 13 (Monk)

Level 14 (Monk)

LLevel 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot

Level 16 (Monk)

Level 17 (Monk)

Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility

Level 19 (Monk)

Level 20 (Monk)

Level 21 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Martial Arts

Level 22 (Monk)

Level 23 (Monk)

Level 24 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Archery
Enhancement: Monk Serenity
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Shintao Monk I
Enhancement: Shintao Monk II
Enhancement: Shintao Monk III
Enhancement: Void Strike I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Master of the Sea
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

Level 25 (Monk)
  
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Re: Shuriken Build
Reply #1 - May 25th, 2013 at 2:10pm
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I believe +4 Tomes are usable at level 15, not level 14,

+1 - level 3
+2 - level 7
+3 - level 11
+4 - level 15
+5 - level 19
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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2013 at 2:12pm
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That was done for applying skill points in the planner. It will not add the skill point for extra INT/Feats until the following level due to it's progression
  
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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2013 at 3:48pm
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Gawna is the master of thrower builds here on the Vault.  You should send her a PM.  She doesn't monitor the build forum much.
  

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Re: Shuriken Build
Reply #4 - May 25th, 2013 at 4:05pm
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Thanks for the heads up Eladiun, I will do that.
  
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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2013 at 4:46pm
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Re: Shuriken Build
Reply #6 - May 25th, 2013 at 4:51pm
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your build looks pretty good.

Personally i'd go halfling though, they get nice boosts to throwing weapon damage atm, and if / when the enhancement pass goes live, they looked like a much better throwing build option.

The feat I'd drop is mobility.

I also went dark monk on Tossenmo, you don't build up ki, and the shintao DR bypasses don't count for shurikens / staves / kama's.  Atleast ninja spy gives me extra sneak attack dice.
  

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Re: Shuriken Build
Reply #7 - May 25th, 2013 at 4:59pm
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Munkenmo wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
your build looks pretty good.

Personally i'd go halfling though, they get nice boosts to throwing weapon damage atm, and if / when the enhancement pass goes live, they looked like a much better throwing build option.

The feat I'd drop is mobility.

I also went dark monk on Tossenmo, you don't build up ki, and the shintao DR bypasses don't count for shurikens / staves / kama's.  Atleast ninja spy gives me extra sneak attack dice.


I had a halfling variant, but I can't stand playing the things.

What would you take in place of mobility? I took it more due to a lack of other good looking feats.

I went shintao for Kukan-Do (planning to use Master of Sea/Capstone for ki gen outside of combat) to get stuns and build 3xLight Finisher.
  
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Reply #8 - May 25th, 2013 at 5:03pm
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reniats wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 4:59pm:
I had a halfling variant, but I can't stand playing the things.


In your PM to Gawna don´t tell her that. She loves halflings (what is quite logic, as she plays mainly thrower builds)
  
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Reply #9 - May 25th, 2013 at 5:07pm
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reniats wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 4:59pm:
I had a halfling variant, but I can't stand playing the things.

What would you take in place of mobility? I took it more due to a lack of other good looking feats.

I went shintao for Kukan-Do (planning to use Master of Sea/Capstone for ki gen outside of combat) to get stuns and build 3xLight Finisher.


If you went halfling instead of human, you'd lose a feat, the feat i'd ditch from your setup is mobility.

3 * light finisher is pretty meh compared to rejuvination cucoon, i'd still go dark, and start using shadowfade instead. I'm not a big fan of kukan-do in eh /ee just can't get the dc high enough.
  

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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2013 at 7:12am
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IIRC according to Mr. Cow, even with whirling wrists, haste boost,  and all the other speed boosts including shuriken expertise and maybe even 10k stars, you'll still be attacking slower than RXbow.  So this will be absolutely flavor no matter what you do.

Still, if you want to make it work here are a few suggestions:

You don't need more than 12 monk levels, for tier 3 earth.  12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter.  The advantage here is that you can fit in manyshot with all the relevant feats for some much needed burst DPS and enough to pick up overwhelming critical.  You're also getting favored enemies and ram's strength which will help out considerably with the low base damage of shurikens. 

On the same note, you should go FOTW instead of shiradi and twist in whirling wrists.  Shiradi is just not as good for ranged toons. 

You'll want to max STR/DEX and WIS as all of these add DPS.  You need at least 23 strength for overwhelming critical.  This is where access to +4-5 tomes and/or completionist really helps. 

By the way, IMA, CA and DWF do are bugged and do nothing.  This is why you'll want to try to pick up OC. 

Pick up a spelltouched kama in the offhand with an AoE proc, which will proc on main hand shurikens. 
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Reply #11 - May 26th, 2013 at 5:06pm
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I know that CA is still bugged, are you certain that IMA and DWF don't work with shuriken? I know they are bugged with bows. As for FoTW vs. Shiradi, not really my cup of tea.

Class split is pure monk because it is likely that the build will likely be something I swap around and have fun with, and pure monk is better for getting back to wraps when I want to.
  
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Reply #12 - May 28th, 2013 at 3:28pm
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If you don't have Empower/Maximize and an 80 Potency item, then Shiradi is fail.
  
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Reply #13 - May 28th, 2013 at 5:48pm
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Eladiun wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 3:48pm:
Gawna is the master of thrower builds here on the Vault.  You should send her a PM.  She doesn't monitor the build forum much.

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Reply #14 - May 28th, 2013 at 5:51pm
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