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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Live June 20th. Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:59am	Print Post
	Quote: The launch day also marks the release of Gauntlgrym, our level 60 PvE and PvP content for veteran players. New challenges await within Gauntlgrym as players fight for the greatest treasures hidden deep in the ancient Dwarven city. Seasoned veterans who have mastered the many dungeon delves and skirmishes in Neverwinter should prepare for their toughest challenges yet. Enter the battlegrounds and prove who is most deserving of Neverwinter's riches. Quote: we're revealing the first Module for Neverwinter: Fury of the Feywild. As revealed on May 9, 2013, the upcoming free content expansion for Neverwinter will be due this summer that chronicles an attempt by Fomorian Giants to seize the Elven city of Sharandar. http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=885581


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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #1 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 10:32am	Print Post
	Video


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Merry Hobbit Korthos Resident Offline No Posts: 79 Joined: May 24^th, 2013	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #2 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm	Print Post
	reminds me of that time I did an unfiltered google picture search for Tubgirl...


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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #3 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:31pm	Print Post
	http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=907501 Tons of balancing changed. Changes to Companion dmg. Changes to healing agro. Lots of updated stuff.


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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #4 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Cannot wait for that update to make it to Open Beta or Live or whatever they call them server(s) (BTW, if anyone who makes or influences decisions in DDO is reading this, THAT'S how you do an update to your game. Put things in that are actually REQUESTED BY YOUR PLAYERBASE, and don't give the impression that you're actively working AGAINST them.)


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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #5 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	the first time I read it, I assumed it was already in effect Quote: For easy reading, several key changes that have been hot topic issues are highlighted in green. My bold, past tense. But after reading it again, I'm not 100% sure about that.


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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #6 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:50pm	Print Post
	Threat changes are a boon to DCs, but otherwise they got nerfed pretty bad. That's a shame, IMO, as I thought the agro mechanic made sense... even PUGs know to kill the healer 1st, no reason NPCs shouldn't know that "secret". I'd have preferred improved kiting/tanking abilities instead of threat reduction, oh well.

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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #7 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Strakeln wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:50pm: I'd have preferred improved kiting/tanking abilities instead of threat reduction, oh well. Yeah, I play DCs, so I'm kind of happy, though I would have been able to live with those kinds of changes instead. Or just get rid of that idiotic "Righteousness". Hell, if I understand the changes to GWFs correctly (not sure I do) they should be able to pull aggro a lot better now, which should also be a big help. I think the one change that will make "almost" everyone happy, though, is that you can't roll "need" on stuff you can't use. God knows I've lost enough decent cleric gear to morons who insist on hitting the "Need" button for anything that drops...


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #8 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 4:34pm	Print Post
	Not super jazzed on what they did with DC's. Agree with Strake that it's more realistic when your healer should be targeted for healing. That Gauntlgrym video looks pretty cool, but the idea of PvP in the middle of two PvE stages? As someone who hates PvP, I'd rather it stay separate from my PvE experiences.


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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #9 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	@Asheras You want Mobs with more realistic AI? Thats what PvP in the middle of PvE is. Never got the blanket hate that PvP got from DDO players. AI is always predictable, love that PvP makes you think on your feet, get out of your rotation. Always something changing.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:04pm	Print Post
	Lol. That's a good point. PvP does bring unpredictability to the table. I gotta admit, 20 on 20 competing groups in a timed PvE environment in phase 1, 20 on 20 PvP in phase 2 and then separate PvE environment for each group in phase 3 where the winners of phase 2 get to go for the better gear is an interesting concept. I'm not very knowledgeable of other MMO's, so I don't know if other games do this. How it will end up being executed will also be interesting. How do the sides get picked? Can you short man one or both sides? Is there exploitative or griefing opportunities?


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TWDiggs Mr. Infraction Offline Posts: 1841 Joined: Jul 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	pnellesen wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 4:13pm: I think the one change that will make "almost" everyone happy, though, is that you can't roll "need" on stuff you can't use. God knows I've lost enough decent cleric gear to morons who insist on hitting the "Need" button for anything that drops... ^THIS^ Crulax needs his cleric gear not some TR!

	stainer wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 1:29pm: Everyday that you aren't banned, is a borrowed day. Grace wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Well, you're a godless heathen, anyway. I would totally wear my rape whistle around you.
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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #12 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: @Asheras Never got the blanket hate that PvP got from DDO players.� AI is always predictable, love that PvP makes you think on your feet, get out of your rotation.� Always something changing. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that PvP in many games - particularly DDO melee chars - depends a lot on gear, making outcomes predictable from the outset and precluding anyone who hasn't been playing for years. Check out the video for my fight against Babygirl for a great example of this.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #13 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	Strakeln wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:17pm: I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that PvP in many games - particularly DDO melee chars - depends a lot on gear, making outcomes predictable from the outset and precluding anyone who hasn't been playing for years. Check out the video for my fight against Babygirl for a great example of this. Agreed. Unless the classes are balanced and the gear is equivalent, the outcome is pretty well decided 99% of the time. Classes with CC have a huge advantage over those without, particularly ones without a save or with a very high DC. A 60's stunning fist? Bard with a 70's facinate? Otto's Irrestiable Dance? You are pretty much fucked. Now, in a many on many scenario, it makes things more interesting. But still, in a situation like this new content being discussed, you would set your group for the PvP round, not the round 1 PvE or round 3 PvE. Because that Round 2 is the key to getting access to the Tier 2 loot drops.


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TWDiggs Mr. Infraction Offline Posts: 1841 Joined: Jul 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #14 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:46pm: Agreed.� Unless the classes are balanced and the gear is equivalent, the outcome is pretty well decided 99% of the time.� Classes with CC have a huge advantage over those without, particularly ones without a save or with a very high DC.� A 60's stunning fist?� Bard with a 70's facinate?� Otto's Irrestiable Dance?� You are pretty much fucked. Now, in a many on many scenario, it makes things more interesting.� But still, in a situation like this new content being discussed, you would set your group for the PvP round, not the round 1 PvE or round 3 PvE.� Because that Round 2 is the key to getting access to the Tier 2 loot drops.� � Not entirely true depending on how much of an advantage the winner of round one receives.

	stainer wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 1:29pm: Everyday that you aren't banned, is a borrowed day. Grace wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2012 at 8:31pm: Well, you're a godless heathen, anyway. I would totally wear my rape whistle around you.
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Silky Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1267 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #15 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	heh Quote: Astral Shield: Players may now only be affected by one instance of Astral Shield at a time. Astral Shield: The healing from the Divine version of this power is now considered a Heal over Time for healing calculations. Astral Shield: This power no longer incorrectly increases in duration with higher ranks. Astral Shield: The shield circle will no longer sometimes disappear when projectiles pass over the center. Say buybye easy button lol


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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #16 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:00pm	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Never got the blanket hate that PvP got from DDO players.� AI is always predictable, love that PvP makes you think on your feet, get out of your rotation.� Always something changing. I've not tried PvP in an MMO before, mainly because my experience with PvP in FPS games such as CoD (MW2 and onward, at least) and especially F2P FPSs like Combat Arms and AVA was that the number of cheaters got to be so bad it was pointless to even try playing a "clean" match. I will admit it wasn't nearly as bad (or even close) on games with dedicated servers. That said - I will give the PvP aspect of Gauntlgrym a try in this game. If done well, it sounds like it could be a lot of fun.


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Silky Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1267 Joined: Dec 7^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #17 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	Quote: Shocking Execution: The base damage of this power has been reduced by 60%. Haha glad I got bored with my TR !


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #18 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:30am	Print Post
	Strakeln wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:50pm: Threat changes are a boon to DCs, but otherwise they got nerfed pretty bad. That's a shame, IMO, as I thought the agro mechanic made sense... even PUGs know to kill the healer 1st, no reason NPCs shouldn't know that "secret". I'd have preferred improved kiting/tanking abilities instead of threat reduction, oh well. It always killed me in games how they always go after the guy that shouts a lot but does shit for damage. Ignoring the one healing the weakling and the jackass trying to rip out his kidneys and the dude trying to burn them to death.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #19 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 9:44am	Print Post
	Let me rephrase. I understand the blanked hate of PvP IN DDO. But not the blanket hate of PvP in MMOs by the DDO base. DDO was so unblanced in PvP. Which was fine, its a PvE game. But balanced right, a person with decent end game gear, but great skill can beat a gr4eat gear with decent skill player. Hopefully NWO can get that balance. I've played healer in some really fun 32 v 32 PvP groups, and its by far the most fun and most challenge I've had in any game ever.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #20 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:13am	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 9:44am: Let me rephrase.� I understand the blanked hate of PvP IN DDO.� But not the blanket hate of PvP in MMOs by the DDO base.� DDO was so unblanced in PvP.� Which was fine, its a PvE game. It's a lot of assholes who never played an MMO besides DDO barking about shit they don't understand.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #21 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:17am	Print Post
	livefreeordie wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 9:44am: Let me rephrase.� I understand the blanked hate of PvP IN DDO.� But not the blanket hate of PvP in MMOs by the DDO base.� DDO was so unblanced in PvP.� Which was fine, its a PvE game. But balanced right, a person with decent end game gear, but great skill can beat a gr4eat gear with decent skill player.� Hopefully NWO can get that balance. I've played healer in some really fun 32 v 32 PvP groups, and its by far the most fun and most challenge I've had in any game ever. I've not played all the classes nor gotten that high in level, but it's my understanding that 4e and the NWO implementation are designed to have more class balance than 2nd and 3rd edition D&D. That should lend itself to better PvP matches. The HP to damage dealt ratio is certainly more appropriate for a PvP scenario.


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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #22 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 5:30am: It always killed me in games how they always go after the guy that shouts a lot but does shit for damage. Ignoring the one healing the weakling and the jackass trying to rip out his kidneys and the dude trying to burn them to death. It took me a minute to figure out what you said here, but once I did, I lol'd. Very good point.

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livefreeordie Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2011	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #23 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Asheras wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:17am: I've not played all the classes nor gotten that high in level, but it's my understanding that 4e and the NWO implementation are designed to have more class balance than 2nd and 3rd edition D&D.� That should lend itself to better PvP matches.� The HP to damage dealt ratio is certainly more appropriate for a PvP scenario. The game is really not D&D at all. They took some of the names, the FR setting, stuff like that. But mechanically its not D&D at all. Either way you are right, it lends itself to a more balanced PvP


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LafoMamone Waterworks Kobold Offline Feather of Sun's Chief Muse Posts: 117 Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2013	Re: Live June 20th. Reply #24 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 1:07pm	Print Post
	Kinda bummed that TRs got it right in the ass with nerfs to Shocking Blow and Duelists's Fury bleed, but I suppose the multiple outcries wailing in unison on the forums were too great to ignore. But the devs should really be punished for listening to the players. Haven't they heard of the great dev guru Turbine and their globally celebrated mantras like "Fuck Player Input" and "Version Control is for Pussies"?


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