helf is kinda non optional, since i am 20 LRing my helf artie into this build.

i was mostly taking the points in int so i could fit in all the skills, but if i swap the rogue lvls for fighter lvls and take rogue dilly i would prob be up dps wise.

then i could put those 4 points into str, bring it up to a 16 then be able to to use 4 build points in str with a 3 str tome to reach the required 23 str......would prob be worth the small loss in wisdom. (i dont have a 4 str tome on this guy)

and im not sure how i could fit in enough dex to reach enough for combat archery so meh.

Carpone wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 8:01pm:


My only concern is that I would then have to choose haste boost twist over ottos whistler twist but if i did go 11 ranger 6 monk 3 fighter I would get slightly more DPS and the haste boost.....

I would drop int in that case, but my only problem at that point would be: how do I get enough dex for combat archery? I don't think it is especially do-able if I want enough str for OC, enough wis for 10k stars to rock, and enough con not to die....for a first lifer that is.....but I would rather do a couple lives on my assassin/my main/my sorc soon to be fvs before my ranged toon ... bah decisions decisions.

Carpone wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:06am:


hmmmmm.....If I had any luck with tomes I would probably be better off........I have a 3 dex tome on my artie......so if I did go elf 16 base+2 elf+3 tome=21, str 16 base+3 tome+4 level ups=23, then I would have 12 points left for con and wis.

Another option would be to go pure ranger then TR a few times to get the triple ranger past lives then go to 11 ranger 9 monk with +6 ranged dmg AND the 36 point build which would make it infinitely easier.

edit: and if I did manage to get a +4 dex tome then I would have ANOTHER two points that I could toss into something else when I drop down dex from 16 to 15....

double edit: and I didn't know haste boost has half effect sad panda......also do you invest in UMD? 'cause that is a huge argument for the 3 rogue splash....get the UMD for tenser's scrolls and all that.....

Carpone wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:17pm:


I might go wizard dilly instead for GH/tensers.....heal scrolls are meh next to cure mod wounds and rej cacoon combined.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

It's a good use of UMD, especially for an AA right before a Furyshot.  Personally, I despise scroll casting.

if you can afford it, why wouldn't you do OC with thf? i know that cleaving on thf kinda sucks, but the benefit is pretty high, depending on your crit profile.

LafoMamone wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:53am:


To me, the biggest question on TWF versus THF if you ever melee is on whether you want to fit in Stunning Fist or not. A 12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter could do pretty well on melee damage/stunning fist with just the stunning fast and GTWF feats. That would leave a lot of other feats available to fit in other options. 2 fighter in the update provides access to +3 tactics and even gives an option at +1 passive ki regen.

I haven't completely made up my mind whether I want a stunning fist/melee option at all. I really enjoy archery only and have spent the last several months trying to get a toon ready for that in the enhancement pass (knocking out 3 monk and 3 ranger past lives). But I can't deny how useful stunning fist can be either and on a toon that's going to be going with a high wisdom anyways it seems like a shame to not fit that in if at all possible.

I just know from my one life I gave ranged a go w/ manyshot + 10k stars I was far more likely to leave the bow on all the time and the only time I didn't it was to zerg EH's with Cleave/Great Cleave which points to skipping out on GTWF/Stunning Fist unless there's really nothing better to take, considering other splashes than 2 fighter (and maybe even other splashes than the 6 ranger), and just use Cleave/Great Cleave with a Sireth or other quarterstaves. It's less feat intensive and it's what I found myself most likely to do when not holding a bow anyways.

rest wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Why does cleaving on THF suck?  I think I missed something..

LafoMamone wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:03am:



It'll depend on the situation, I'll carry staves and wraps.  I'm not taking stunning fist though, nor will I be picking up Gtwf.

LafoMamone wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

What TWF builds are viable?  As much as I'd love to put my dual Celestias to use, I couldn't come up with a build that could hold a candle to Sireth or Clever.  Also, there are a crapton of mobs in the new quests.  That just screams "cleave me".

Cleaving Sireth is suboptimal since staves don't benefit from glancing blows on cleaves.

Carpone wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:


I am going to assume you are talking about weapons-only TWF builds here, and are excluding unarmed builds. If that is the case, I can sorta see your point, although I do not necessarily agree with it to the fullest extent.

If you by any chance *are* including unarmed builds...well, that would be just lol-worthy.

Here is what I have drawn up for a final build:

Half elf Ranger 11/Monk 9

Str 16+4 level ups (at lvl:4,8,12,16)+3 tome=23 (for OC)
Dex 16+2 level ups (at lvl:20,24)+3 tome=21 (for CA)
Con 12+3 master of earth+2 tome+1 exc+8 item+2 insightful=enough to not be gimp in the HP department especially since I made this character who im gonna lr 20 into this build a white dragon robe.
Int 8
Wis 15+1 level up (at lvl 28)
Cha 8

Level progression:
1-3 monk
4-14 ranger
15-20 monk

feats:
1 point blank shot
1monk power attack
2monk zen archery
3 cleave
6 great cleave
9 precision
12 master of forms
15 ic ranged
18 empower heal
21 OC
24 combat archery
26 destiny feat.....lol whatever really
27 blinding speed
28 destiny feat......still whatever.....

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 12:47am:



thanks, i hate missing stuff like that lol.

but wouldnt i swap it with empower healing, cause i get my sixth monk lvl at level 17.....