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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #25 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	I'm going to try the 16 wiz/2 mnk/2 fvs when I LR. Losing level 9 spells is not a big deal to me - the only one I'll miss is PWK. You gain a lot of better stuff to spend AP on than what's in the wiz trees.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #26 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 6:37pm: Freaking out is what the vault does best! Well played sir!


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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #27 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:26am	Print Post
	Can you share the spell choices? Yes, I am that stupid to sorc.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #28 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:33am	Print Post
	arjiwan wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:26am: Can you share the spell choices?� Yes, I am that stupid to sorc. Magic Missile and Chain Missile are your bread and butter.� You want at least 9 arcane levels to get the maximum number of missiles (or 7 arcane levels + Arcane Augmentation IX).� Scorching Ray/Chain Lightning are used situationally.� If your arcane has 9th level spells, then Meteor Swarm is a great mana dump.� Hellball works well with Shiradi (4 proc chances per target), but it's a mana hog and has a longish cool down. If you ever played an old skool arcane, Shiradi is sorta like fishing for crit firewalls.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #29 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:20am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:33am: If you ever played an old skool arcane, Shiradi is sorta like fishing for crit firewalls. I still play the old skool arcane, Shiradi's randomness and fishing for procs just feels too fucking gimp. At least with this new gear powercreep DC casting is somewhat viable again.


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arjiwan Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Comedy! Posts: 320 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #30 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:24am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:33am: Magic Missile and Chain Missile... Thanks


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #31 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:37am	Print Post
	Ok new annoyance.. xp ransack mechanic. I'm kicking myself for not knocking out more EDs b4 the update. I "farmed" (5ish runs) ID, RB, and 2 runs of Von3 for 1 level and 1.8 ranks in Fatesinger on my way from Draconic to Shiradi... This is going to take forever. I coulda have knocked it out in a 1-2 days doing the ID farming that was going on prior to the update. :/

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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #32 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 12:00pm	Print Post
	Not sure how many xp Last Stand in Red Fens is worth once you're over level 25, but IIRC it takes about 8-10 minutes to run. I'd consider adding it to the rotation. Hard ADQ1 is pretty fast xp in a group that can split up and cover three or four halls at once, plus you get about a token and a half per run.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #33 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	claw is 4 minutes and super fucking easy. xp is kinda low though.


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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #34 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 8:15pm: I'm going to try the 16 wiz/2 mnk/2 fvs when I LR. Losing level 9 spells is not a big deal to me - the only one I'll miss is PWK. You gain a lot of better stuff to spend AP on than what's in the wiz trees. Also going to do this. Just wondering - LRing my melee who has worked in every primal\martial destiny into the above split, but he hasn't touched arcane\divine. Shiradi is capped though, so does it matter at all really that I haven't trained the other ED's? And what gear are you rolling with? Even if it's just basic epics\eveningstar stuff that's cool. He doesn't have any caster related gear so it would be nice to know


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #35 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	My gearout is secret until I've acquired the lootgen I want Blue Docent, Int +3 Blue Helm, Guardin's Ring, EE Ring of Shadows, GS 45 HP, GS 150 SP are in there though. Maxing other destinies doesn't matter unless you want a certain ED feat - I use all level 1 twists, which is only 6 fate points. You should at least dip into arcane/divine to get the twistable stuff itself though. I do Unearthly Reactions (Magister T1, +6 reflex/3% dodge), Endless Faith (Exalted Angel T1, +10% SP), Dragonhide (Draconic T1, +6 fortitude/can't fail fortitude on 1). I swap out Dragonhide for Energy Sheathe for Tor/FOT.


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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #36 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 12:38pm	Print Post
	Glad to know it's simple like that. Time to run EE's


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #37 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:26am	Print Post
	im leaning towards 14wiz/4fvs/2monk at the moment. i am 16/2/2 currently and was 18/2. Besides some weird deep splash builds that i havent considered or looked into i think 14/4/2 is my best bet. what is the logic with the 13/7?
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #38 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:52am	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:26am: im leaning towards 14wiz/4fvs/2monk at the moment. i am 16/2/2 currently and was 18/2. Besides some weird deep splash builds that i havent considered or looked into i think 14/4/2 is my best bet. what is the logic with the 13/7? What's the logic behind the 14/4/2 split? Fleshie 13 FvS/7 Sorc: 13 FvS = Blade Barrier and Heal.� Blade Barrier kiting + Shiradi = crazy amounts of procs. 7 Sorc + Twilight = max number of magic missile and chain missile.� Also provides wings (tier5 electric). 13/7 is basically the way to make previous Evocation focused Favored Souls useful with the +20 LR heart.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #39 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm	Print Post
	Isn't CM max missiles at CL 19?


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LafoMamone Waterworks Kobold Offline Feather of Sun's Chief Muse Posts: 117 Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2013	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #40 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:55pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 11:52am: What's the logic behind the 14/4/2 split? Fleshie 13 FvS/7 Sorc: 13 FvS = Blade Barrier and Heal.� Blade Barrier kiting + Shiradi = crazy amounts of procs. 7 Sorc + Twilight = max number of magic missile and chain missile.� Also provides wings (tier5 electric). 13/7 is basically the way to make previous Evocation focused Favored Souls useful with the +20 LR heart. 13/7 with Wiz instead of Sorc is just as sexy, if not more. The SLAs provide more procs at the lowest possible cost, thereby substantially increasing damage and staying power.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #41 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	LafoMamone wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:55pm: 13/7 with Wiz instead of Sorc is just as sexy, if not more. The SLAs provide more procs at the lowest possible cost, thereby substantially increasing damage and staying power. You can take my wings from my dead, cold body.


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Saecru Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 12 Joined: Aug 25^th, 2013	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #42 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:14am	Print Post
	LafoMamone wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 1:55pm: 13/7 with Wiz instead of Sorc is just as sexy, if not more. The SLAs provide more procs at the lowest possible cost, thereby substantially increasing damage and staying power. So the SLA's don't go on wizard level, but character level overal?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #43 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 9:12am	Print Post
	Saecru wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 8:14am: So the SLA's don't go on wizard level, but character level overal? they're based on your wizard caster level.

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #44 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 9:57am	Print Post
	I have a 18wiz/2rog which can't be LR'd into a monk or paladin split due to alignment changes. He's a first lifer and I don't want to bother with spell pen - just having fun with MM and CM. Even with the change to beguile, I'm seriously considering 17Wiz/2Rog/1 Druid, as this offers a nice measure of croud control which happens alongside the Shiradi Procs. I don't want to bother with other CC measures as I'd like to ignore Spell Pen. Thoughts on this?
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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #45 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:18am	Print Post
	If you're not splashing fvs you're doing it wrong. Not a fan of rogue personally, but I suppose it could maybe let you get enough Search to matter in EE sometimes. Alignment changes are 500TP, cheap.
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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #46 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:39am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 8:59pm: You can take my wings from my dead, cold body. What are wings?

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #47 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:18am: If you're not splashing fvs you're doing it wrong. Not a fan of rogue personally, but I suppose it could maybe let you get enough Search to matter in EE sometimes. I also like the full ranks in UMD for some scrolling assistance. I'd rather TR than buy an alignment change.

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #48 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:02am	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 10:55am: I also like the full ranks in UMD for some scrolling assistance. I'd rather TR than buy an alignment change. Wait, fleshy? Yeah, better TR.


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Newb to Shiradi: Sorc or Wiz Reply #49 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:06am	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Sep 5^th, 2013 at 11:02am: Wait, fleshy? Yeah, better TR. Nah, no fleshy. Assistance as in "Help the healer with heal and raise scrolls."
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	That's not opinion, that's science. And science is one cold hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap on.
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