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Oct 22nd, 2013 at 4:19pm
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Alright so I have a Helf 12Monk, 6Ftr, 2Pali (Emerald build) I made before U19.  Instead of the normal Cleave and Great Cleave (Which I feel the latter has been nerfed do to slow response) I went with Shield and Imp. Shield Mastery.  Sounds weird but I was thinking the end game requires a little of everything to be useful. I would love to get some feedback on ways to better improve the build. This toon is now level 27 and has been enjoyable to play, but I feel it needs something else. So here is the basic stats, feats, gear (Which is improving as go).

HElf (Cleric Dil - Heal/raise dead <- really has helped)
In Unyielding Sent. with items and no ship (Base,tomes,Sitting)
Str: 14 +4 -> 27
Dex: 16 +3 -> 25
Con: 14 +2 -> 31
Int: 11 +2 -> 13
Wis: 16 +4 -> 32 (+6 points)
Chr: 9 +3 -> 23

FEATS:
TWF -> Imp TWF
Imp. Crit Bludg.
Shield and Imp. Shield Mastery
Dodge -> Spring Attack
Toughness
Power Attack
Stunning Blow

ITEMS:
Flawless White Robes and Helm
Fabricators set
Gaurdian's Ring (+*str and +24PRR)
Cloak of Night lv 20 (Death block and Dodge)
+8chr, +9resistance Necklace
Alchemical Silver Air, Air, Air wraps
other various items

My end goal is Unyielding Sentinel (US) for the Shield PRR, AC, and HP bonuses. 
In US I sit 984HP, 121Ki,  100AC, 174% fort, 101 PRR (With Stalwart Defender), 22% dodge ,55fort, 45 Ref, 47Will.
This with no ship buffs.
Between the Incorporeal, dodge, and AC I don't get hit to often, based on all the "Dodge" and "Incorporeal" messages I get about my head. But when I do get hit I take 41.45% less damage vs. melee.

While he is not the greatest in DPS anymore compared to other builds or when he was Str pure dark monk (before ToD nerf) he does pretty decent dps. running Earth stance and having 1d8 dmg from Shintao (Switch do to nerf of ToD).
As said made him pre U19 and has done well as an off tank or main occasionally for FoT Reaver, but would love to hear what others think of build and what suggestions people might have. 


  
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Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 4:32pm
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If you ever write the word "tank" in regards to a current DDO build, reroll immediately.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:12pm
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Okay so in terms of SUPPORT/ALL-AROUND in place of Tank.... That work for ya?
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:12pm
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Tank? Delete account.
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:18pm
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Why Shield Mastery?
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:32pm
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Starkjade wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:18pm:
Why Shield Mastery?


The two feats are required to take 2/3 of 3 which gives +15 to PRR and +6% double strike in the Unyielding Sentinel ED if using a shield. 

  
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Why are you using a shield as a monk?
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:43pm
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Starkjade wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:40pm:
Why are you using a shield as a monk?


Flawless White Dragonscale robe I have is top tiered with +8 Shield Bonus. So with the ED/Enhancements I have +12 Shield bonus, and counts towards "When wearing a shield".
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:44pm
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RynD wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:43pm:
and counts towards "When wearing a shield".


SS pls.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:04pm
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RynD wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 5:43pm:
wless White Dragonscale robe I have is top tiered with +8 Shield Bonus. So with the ED/Enhancements I have +12 Shield bonus, and counts towards "When wearing a shield".


Toughness sucks
Spring attack instead of cleaves sucks.
Stunning blow instead of stunning fist sucks.

Fuck it, Your whole premise sucks and it won't work.
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Reply #11 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:10pm
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I would hate to run around in sentinel.

If you really want to go this tankish prr route. Fit in combat expertise, go dreadnaught for improved combat expertise. Use one of your twists instead for legendary shield mastery.
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Reply #12 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:20pm
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Yeah, I'm aware of the ability, I want a SS showing it actually applying the doublestrike and PRR with no shield equipped.

Confirmation from someone else who knows what they're talking about would work, too.
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:32pm
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RE: Your pic.

1. if you're running in unyielding unarmed, Get Holy and Pure good.
2. What are your twists?

12      Earthstance
15      shintao
10      Sacred defence
15      Durable Defense
10      Heed no pain
24      sheltering

+15 could be from standing in stone (tier 4 gmof)
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:37pm
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Just tested on lam, There's a bug atm that's giving me the PRR even when i'm totally naked.  No doublestrike though.

Note the 10PRR is provided from:
Heed No Pain: Passive bonus: +10 Physical Resistance. +20 additional Physical Resistance while Unbreakable







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Reply #15 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:37pm
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Easier thing to do. Just check doublestrike or post prr with armor on and armor off.
  
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Sham wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:37pm:
Easier thing to do. Just check doublestrike or post prr with armor on and armor off.


That wasn't easier, I had to run outside the dojo to get the armor.

Doesn't matter though, beneficial bug, case closed.
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 7:54pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:04pm:
Toughness sucks
Spring attack instead of cleaves sucks.
Stunning blow instead of stunning fist sucks.

Fuck it, Your whole premise sucks and it won't work.


Apologize, I mistyped. I have Stunning Fist.  Also if going to say it suck why? Because I don't have certain feats?  Agreed I believe Toughness can be switched out for something else. Spring attack is for the No penalty to hit if moving (Thanks kitters!) and the Dodge bonus.    Maybe I will take the 28HP hit and pick up Cleave. That would work.
  
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Starkjade wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 6:20pm:
Yeah, I'm aware of the ability, I want a SS showing it actually applying the doublestrike and PRR with no shield equipped.

Confirmation from someone else who knows what they're talking about would work, too.




  
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Reply #19 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 8:27pm
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Hover over the little red icon beside your BAB to show doublestrike %
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 8:43pm
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just saying, for someone with 2 pali splash.....your saves are really bad.

My main has almost that much at level 19, and he is pally 15 monk 2 fighter 2, so your save profile is much much better.
  

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Reply #21 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 8:51pm
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my main self buffed is at about 48/42/40......at this point your saves should be:

f/r/w
19/13/13 (base classes/epic levels)
9/9/9 (+7 resistance item is easy to get)
3/3/3 (defender stance, easy to get, doesn't require shield)
10/10/10 (divine grace, 30 cha is easy at lvl 27.....9 base+9 item+3 insight+3 tome+1 exceptional+2 enh+1 ed+2 ship=30)
7/10/11 (stats from your numbers)
4/4/4 (insight bonus, get the estar villager comm bracers, easy way to get it)
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52/49/50

that is such a raw number and if I could find my sheet where I wrote down everything that was going to boost my saves for my pally I would be able to give more, but for now I can't remember half of what I wrote down......so do with it as you will.....
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 9:10pm
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kierg10 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 8:51pm:
my main self buffed is at about 48/42/40......at this point your saves should be:

f/r/w
19/13/13 (base classes/epic levels)
9/9/9 (+7 resistance item is easy to get)
3/3/3 (defender stance, easy to get, doesn't require shield)
10/10/10 (divine grace, 30 cha is easy at lvl 27.....9 base+9 item+3 insight+3 tome+1 exceptional+2 enh+1 ed+2 ship=30)
7/10/11 (stats from your numbers)
4/4/4 (insight bonus, get the estar villager comm bracers, easy way to get it)
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52/49/50

that is such a raw number and if I could find my sheet where I wrote down everything that was going to boost my saves for my pally I would be able to give more, but for now I can't remember half of what I wrote down......so do with it as you will.....


Thanks for the Info.  Helpful.  My Charisma isn't the greatest from the start due to having points, and my pluses went into Wis for AC and DC for Stunning Fist.  Maybe I can LR and put them into Chr? Your thoughts?
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 9:36pm
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So from Munk's testing it seems to work without white armor and does not give doublestrike.

If that's true this bug is really, really bad to build. Munk doesn't seem to be getting any prr or doublestrike with shield mastery feats. Doublestrike from legendary shield mastery also doesn't work. You're spending 2 feats and playing in sentinel for 15 prr... which becomes even worse the higher prr you already have.
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 10:29pm
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Sham wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 9:36pm:
If that's true this bug is really, really bad to build. Munk doesn't seem to be getting any prr or doublestrike with shield mastery feats. Doublestrike from legendary shield mastery also doesn't work.


The bug is awesome, it's free PRR without a shield equipped.

However, I deliberately didn't equip a shield. If I equip a shield everything works as expected.

Basically, the OP is wrong, but there still is a beneficial bug.
  

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